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⌈ Secret Post #2601 ⌋

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Comments

[iceyred]

Personally, I like Kate Bishop because she's not so hypersexualized in the 2012 Hawkeye series. It's refreshing.

If anyone wants some really good female characters, give Elfquest a shot.

[(Anonymous)]

Are they still making ElfQuest? I used to read it, way back in the day, and drifted off when they did their weird variety comic with Jink, etc. Also, I always liked Strongbow & Moonshade best, and they weren't the marquee characters. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, a whole new Quest just started.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks, I just checked out their website. :)

[iceyred]

They are indeed still making new comics. I'm not exactly wowed by the new offerings, but at least it's not Jink.

I've always been a fan of Nightfall and Redlance. One day I hope to cosplay as Redlance.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll have to poke my head back into the EQ universe to see how it's going. I really loved them at one time, but it felt like when they wrote to the end of the original quest, they just seemed to lose steam after that. And the Pinis seemed to be drama llamas behind the scenes and couldn't seem to get things together. Maybe they're back on track.

I like Nightfall and Redlance, too. I guess I like that combo of one strong, almost hard character with a softer more gentle character, both devoted to each other. I also think that's be a great cosplay - but those are going to be some big ears. :)

[iceyred]

I liked the Original Quest, and I liked Kings of the Broken Wheel. Anything else is...eh. And that's being polite. I pop back into it and see what's going on now and then. If I don't like it, the original stuff is available online for free.

Their dichotomy is what originally drew me to them. Plus the fact that the soft, gentle character isn't a wimp. You're not sending Redlance to fight trolls anytime soon, but he can track. He can hunt. He can fight. He can pick Nightfall up and carry her off. It's details like that that make the characters three dimensional to me.

[truxillogical]

Yeah. And I don't see anything wrong with being excited about Captain Marvel's new costume. There are, in fact, some girls who just won't read a book where the main ladies wear bathing suit-esque clothing. I know girls who just can't get into Black Canary and or PG because of that. And I mean, on one hand, yes, their loss, and I really like the fishnets and the boob window because I think it works for those two characters, but on the other hand, I totally understand seeing those costumes and just rolling your eyes and going, "Whatever, this is just too ridiculous." (The first time I encountered Peej was for a class assignment where we had to draw some pages of a BoP script. I hated having to draw her, because I knew nothing of her character, just that she was wearing a blatantly fanservice-y costume and I didn't want to play that game.)

But Kate's pretty well-clothed and in the new Hawkeye comic, is drawn like an average, athletic girl. Captain Marvel is wearing a military-esque outfit to go with her new codename, instead of a bathing suit and a "Ms" (which always sounds to me a bit like calling Sue Storm "Invisible Girl." Fine for an actual girl, a bit silly/demeaning for a grown woman, especially an Air Force Major).

There are a lot of awesome ladies in comics. But a lot of them also have had to do a lot of fanservice in their time (She-Hulk and Jean Grey, for one). I think people are turning onto ladies in comics now because they way they're presented in the new titles is a little more welcoming.

[iceyred]

Seeing boob windows and fishnets (not to mention high heels) just make me take a piece of work or a character less seriously. Kate dresses like a normal person might dress for that kind of job. Her boobs are not double D's, and she's not throwing herself at Clint. It's refreshing to see a woman who is not designed for the male gaze.

Relevant picture is relevant.

[IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/b9ge1u.jpg[/IMG]

[nyxelestia]

Damn, now I want that to be a thing. Just an entire comic where the male superheroes dress like that, and it's perfectly normal in-universe but the wank in the fandom/real world would be fucking glorious! :)

And yeah, definitely love Kate. Also, the new Ms. Marvel (the one with Kamala) seems to be heading in a similar direction of a good costume.

[iceyred]

Back dat ass up, Spidey!

Hawkeye 2012 is the only comic I'm reading right now. What does the new Ms. Marvel look like?

[nyxelestia]

This is her character design from Marvel (her power involved shapeshifting, hence the weird fist):

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2013/11/08/meet-the-muslim-ms-marvel-kamala-khan-s-fight-against-stereotypes/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/1383925087299.cached.jpg

I'm only one issue in, but it really is very good, both in terms of a good female character as well as a good story about a young Muslim girl and certain realities of being Muslim in America (especially the concern trolling - I'm not even Muslim and I hate concern trolling and was so glad to have a good example of this being depicted as a bad thing in a popular media).

[iceyred]

I like it. That's the kind of outfit a superheroine needs. Thanks, that's on my radar for when I'm done with Hawkeye 2012. :)

[truxillogical]

What I want is a Gender Bent Justice League comic using those costumes. And not just a cameo elseworlds. I want a running comic with stories and properly translated personalities and everything.

[truxillogical]

And that's a position I can understand; I just think it's kind of a shame. It's sort of the Emma Frost conundrum: Emma Frost absolutely would dress in a white corset and sexy clothes. It perfectly fits her character and the kind of person she is--a woman who is completely confident in her power and sexuality who enjoys playing mind games and keeping people off balance, and who has a dominating edge. Put her in a blue-and-yellow jumpsuit and she looks wrong. BUUUUUUUT...if you dress most ladies like Emma Frost, then you're not really setting her apart and making her special. Now it's just The Way You Draw Ladies, and apparently, The Way You Draw Ladies is kinda gross.

Peej and Dinah fit their boob window and fishnets respectively. There's just something about them that work for the sort of characters they are. Some women do dress like that, after all (and in Dinah's case, I feel like the fishnets add this sort of punky street brawler vibe. Couldn't say why). I get why people might "take them less seriously" but that's kind of a shame. No one takes Namor less seriously for running around in a speedo, because it makes sense for the kind of character he is (although, yes, more artists should take advantage of that swimmers build and all...)

[iceyred]

You nailed it on the why I find it skeevy. Too many women are drawn like that and it becomes less about the character and more about 'hurrdurr tits.'

Another reason is that were I a superhero, y'all would see me in a t-shirt and a pair of camo cargo pants. With boots. Y'know, practical crime-fighting stuff. I just can't suspend my disbelief enough to accept that someone wants to run around a city fighting crime while dressed in a thong and tube top.

[truxillogical]

Well, yes and no, then. I would opt for some loose-fitting-but-not-snagging combat clothes myself. Because I'm me. With characters like Emma, Peej, and Dinah, it is about the character, and their costume choices work for them. I can't suspend my disbelief that a character who is like me would wear a bathing suit or a boob window, so I see what Kate Bishop and Kitty Pride and Huntress (sans belly window) and Catwoman (in her Brubaker days) wear, and I think, "Yup, it's a character who's pragmatic and doesn't worry much about her interaction with/impression on others," because in certain aspects, I see myself in those characters. In Dinah and Peej and Emma, I see myself as well, but also in a sense of "If I were more like that person, what would I be wearing? That? ... Yeah, actually, I think so."

I mean, if we're talking t-shirt and cargo pants level, then pretty much no superheroes are wearing practical clothes. I've seen enough IRL dudes in spandex to know that much. It seems almost as bad, though not in a skeevy way, to want all the heroes to dress practically across the board. Design choices that work for the character, it's what it comes down to.

[(Anonymous)]

So they all become Namor?