[ SECRET POST #2601 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2601 ⌋

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Comments

[applemagpie]

Although I don't agree with the last part of the secret, I do find it odd that fandom always depicts Jason as 'belonging' with the Bats, given that after his return he was always the pariah of the family, especially with Tim and Dick. (Guess it's just fandom's tendency to make angsty canon fluffy.)

[elaminator]

IA, I haven't even read that many of the Batman comics yet but it constantly feels like someone is ragging on Jason.

[applemagpie]

Jason is flat out the kicking bag/black sheep of the Bat family. If it wasn't for Steph, I would think that he was the Robin that was treated the worst by writers. I've read a bit of fan meta on how the DC has a strong underlying theme of classism, and I couldn't agree with it more.

I don't know how it is in the reboot, but Dick and Tim never viewed Jason as anything more than a villain after he came back. Whereas fanfic and fanart always portrays all this 'brotherly love' between all the Robins.

[(Anonymous)]

Both in the Nightwing series and in Batman & Robin (pre-reboot) Dick's run-ins with Jason always showed that Dick may think Jason's crazy but he's still trying to steer him back to the right path and treat him well. There's definitely an undercurrent of responsibility there, not hate.

[applemagpie]

You're right about that. I've also never read Jason's appearance in the Nightwing series, so yeah, looked that over.
But. I still don't feel that Jason was ever treated as trustworthy, or 'good' by almost everyone in the Bat family. And other than those few instances, no one tried to reach out. I kind of felt there was so much wasted potential with Jason's resurrection pre-reboot, to the point I don't know why DC even brought him back in the first place.

[blunderbuss]

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<i And other than those few instances, no one tried to reach out.</i>

If I was a better writer and knew the DCU a bit better, I'd honestly want to take a crack at this. Because you know who would be perfect to reach out to Jason? Alfred. Jason has no personal beef with Alfred and I'm 100% sure he still loves and respects him. And Alfred has always said that he considers the boys to be his sons too, if only by proxy, and Jason's central flaw is a desire to be approved by a parental figure.

And Alfred would be perfect because he is this loving maternal figure but also takes no shit. I envisioned a scene where he met Jason and asked him to take off his helmet so he could finally see Jason as a grown man. He does, and Alfred looks into his eyes for a moment for slapping Jason across the face and giving him the perfect dignified dressing-down on how happy he was that Jason was a grown man but how very disappointed that said grown man saw it fit to hurt his own family. And once Jason's spine has been turned to jelly he invites Jason for some tea so that he can explain himself.

[applemagpie]

A scene like that would have been incredible, both for Alfred and Jason! And it would have been a great way to add development to Jason's character after he was brought back. The wasted opportunities, seriously.

[elaminator]

Jason is flat out the kicking bag/black sheep of the Bat family.

It does seem that way. I'm not sure if I agree with them viewing him as a villain (but then again I've missed a lot, so maybe it's there), but it does seem like no one can mention his name without going into a rant about how awful he is, or how much of a failure he is, etc.

(Not that I think Jason is a perfect character but...geez. I feel sorry for the guy.)

[applemagpie]

I am probably being a bit too harsh when I say they viewed him as a villain. But still, he almost got no love or any kind of trust from most of the Bats. And yeah, it seemed like every time Jason was brought up after he died, it was usually how his death was 'his fault', and how there was nothing Bruce could have done to prevent it. And after he was brought back, he was pretty much portrayed as a total psychopath in stories like Battle for the Cowl and in Teen Titans (where he pointlessly decided to attack Tim in the Titan's tower and almost beat him to death. Yeah, that made sense, Geoff Johns.) It's like most of the writers at DC at the time actually forgot that Jason had been a good kid, and didn't try to bring back any of that at all, and didn't know what else to do with him.

I don't think he's a perfect character either, but yeah. I do love him, and I've always been disappointed at all the wasted potential there was after bringing his character back. Ah well.

[blunderbuss]

I fully agree. There was a great essay on scans_daily a while back that pointed out how utterly creepy and unfair it was that Jason was blamed for his own death and that his death was retro-actively made as inevitable because he was a 'bad Robin'. That's a shitty thing to do to a great character who died in the most tragic and yet heroic ways imaginable.

And let's not even start into how they tried to make him into a psychopathic villain before the reboot. Battle for the Cowl made me want to bash my head in.

[applemagpie]

It is creepy and unfair that he was blamed for his own death, and completely erases everything about his character when he was Robin. They probably used that narrative to make it seem like it was ok that Bruce had a child sidekick die on him, because then it wasn't Bruce's fault in any way - but that honestly just makes it even creepier to me, and also smacks of lazy and non-mature story writing.

Yes, I hated Battle for the Cowl! For a lot of reasons, but the characterization of Jason in that being one of the biggest reasons. Pre-reboot, I think Judd Winnick was the only writer who had something of a formed idea about what Jason's characterization should be after he was resurrected.