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fandomsecrets2014-02-15 03:32 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2014-02-15 03:32 pm
[ SECRET POST #2601 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2601 ⌋
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For one thing, people seem content to complain about the lack of female heroes, but... there... isn't exactly such a lack? Marvel has about a million billion independent lady heroes, and so does DC. Hell, one of DC's bestsellers is and was Birds of Prey--a series dedicated entirely to a female superhero team. Yeah, maybe there aren't any big blockbuster movies just yet, but that's more to do with the suits in charge, and less to do with the audience. You see all kind of people howling for a Black Widow movie, or an Alias (the Jessica Jones one) TV series. The suits are slow to hop on the bus, but that's corporate bullshit for you.
(There was a Birds of Prey TV series, but from what I'm told, it was of debatable quality.)
I also think people are confused about female legacy heroes or female heroes that got their start as sidekicks or were inspired by male heroes. Maybe back in the Golden Age, they started out as tagalongs, but none of them are like that anymore. What about Batwoman? Or the Renee Montoya Question? Or any of the Batgirls? They're all amazing and distinct characters with their own personalities and backgrounds, but a common inspiration. But a lot of people--even people who want more superheroine stories--see that, say, Cass Cain was inspired by Batman and go "CLEARLY SHE'S JUST A SECOND-CLASS SIDEKICK TAKING THE NAME OF A MALE HERO HARRUMPH" when it's not really true.
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And let me tell you, Cass was subject to some of the shittiest writing and most inconsistent characterization, before DC eventually didn't know what the hell to do with her, and decided to shaft her to Hong Kong for no good reason, and she was eventually forgotten about for good in the Batman comics (and come reboot time, completely erased from existence, and referred to as 'toxic' by the head of DC). And she was almost never included in any of the Batfamily cross-over events. She wasn't even considered a contender for Bruce's cowl, after he died.
When us fans complain that the industry doesn't treat the female characters as well as the male characters, it's not because we're not knowledgeable about comics, or because we're 'radfems', thank you very much. And it's not because we think the female characters are less interesting or awesome than the male characters. It's because we know our favourite female characters will almost never get their own books, or things like their own movies, and are usually not considered to be as important to the creators as the male characters are.
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But anyway, it kind of goes back to what I said--it's corporate/industry dickery. Fans like lady heroes, the suits (like Quesada and Didio and company) are either jerks who just don't wanna give them to us or don't know how to handle them, or a little from column A and a little from column B. (Also, I'm like maths% sure that Didio just hates every character and story ever.) Gail Simone doesn't even know WTF is up with DC's various editorial practices, and she works for them. (Or did. I gave up with the nu52 and haven't cracked a DC comic since.) It's mismanagement upon idiocy upon dickery.
And I've seen a lot of people on Tumblr (which I know isn't any kind of good representative example for anything) who are all "EW LEGACY HEROES" in general and it always bugs me a bit to see it.
Also, I love your icon, that's super-cute. I haven't seen that picture before.
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Yeah, it is corporate/industry dickery. And just the whole idea that the people who are reading comics are going to the typical white guy demographic, and if they want to sell comics they have to appeal to them. It kind of is part of the fan's fault too - the fans of the female heroes are a bit in a minority, we just seem larger because we're so outspoken. But yes, there are still a lot of fans who want to read about female heroes, or who won't stop reading because there are female heroes.
That sums up Didio well.
Thanks! I didn't make the icon, but yeah, it is pretty cute.
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YES there are a lot of awesome women characters in comics. It's awesome. But still can we not pretend that the industry (both fans/and creators) loves women?
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