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Say rather the same subset of crazy users that every popular large website has. Because I do think there's a relationship between community size and that whole kind of thing.

Agree that people do seem to hate certain things more than is really merited. Like, I wouldn't say anything positive about Twilight or 50 Shades Of Grey - they're pretty much shit - but not shit in an especially unique way, and they do seem to get a disproportionate amount of hate compared to other things of similar quality, mostly for the reasons you outline.

I don't think the amount of Twilight/FSoG hate is disproportionate. Of course people will hate, IDK, some obscure novel less than a huge popular shittily written book. They get a lot of hate because they *are* popular and shittily written... because they're *both,* not just one or the other and lots of people don't get why the hell anyone would like that crap.

I can't think of any series that is A) just as popular as those two franchises with B) equally terrible writing. Can you?

Dan Brown.

That's a person, not a series. No single one of his series or books have been as popular as Twilight of FSoG. Try again?

I think the Robert Langdon books have been as popular as Twilight or FSoG.

I mean, Da Vinci Code was absolutely massive.

Yeah, it might have been popular amongst people just buying the books but it does not have a massive and obsessive fandom. Being a book lots of people buy =/= obsessive fandom.

I would say that Dan Brown books have a lot casual readers whereas Twilight has/had a lot more hard core fans. Part of it is that Twilight appealed to teenaged girls and/or some women who like romances whereas Brown's books have more of a generic/universal appeal.

I haven't read Twilight so I can't speak to that but I have read Da Vinci Code (I was on a plane and desperate) and spent most of my time rolling my eyes at the plot and writing.

I dunno about that, I've never read any other book besides Fifty Shades where I had to stare in disbelief that these pages ever got printed. I really, really don't agree that the quality of Fifty Shades is what's considered 'average bad' nowadays...

Dan Green. And before you try getting all condescending about author=/=book, the Dan Green fandom is more centered around him than his books.

Yeah, Twilight and FSoG are average, at best. I despise the "fetal life>all else" message in the first one and the abusive relationship framed as normal BDSM in the second, because I have actual experience with both, and it scares me to think what might have happened if those things had happened after I read those books because media consumption very much influences our personal views. But, neither book is unique or even extreme in those messages, and if it were just the dangerous lessons they could teach, the criticism would be about that. Instead, the criticism is about unrealistic expectations of romance or vapid characterization, which leads me to side-eye most of the critics.

You know a relationship isn't abusive if the participants are willing and overall happy, yes? Learn to speak for yourself and stop projecting your ego on others. That's how you come across.

Er, no.

If a Dom/me tried to pull half the crap that Christian Grey does, he/she'd be banned from my local group quicker than you could say "buttplug".

Not if the sub was okay with it.
You have no right to speak for others, yanno.

If there was EVER a chance for her to express her being okay or not okay with stuff like the stalking and tracking and threatening her friends, and she said she was okay with everything, I would gladly let that go. As it is and as a former Domme, reading about their interactions filled me with so much rage that I had to skip a LOT just to keep from burning the library copy (which probably would have been a good thing).

+10000

I think it's pretty obvious she's okay with it. Do you need everything spelled out like a grade schooler?

Stalking someone before entering into an established relationship is perfectly healthy.

NAYRT

I think the whole point is that the relationship, as described in FSoG, does not at all come across as one with two willing, happily consenting participants. Even from her POV, it comes of as her being frightened of his violent rages and inconsistent moods, as well as his possessiveness and clear inability to let her make her own decisions.

Granted, there might be room for interpretation about some fine details, but I'm sorry, I just don't believe there's really a way to say there are no questionable moments in their relationship.

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