[ SECRET POST #2609 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2609 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 076 secrets from Secret Submission Post #372.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[dethtoll]

I don't really see it as such? There's a lot to be said about an individual's behaviour, which they can (usually) control. Their appearance, though? They're just as God made them, as Paul Benedict once said.

[case]

To be fair, if they're in the acting business, their appearance can change pretty drastically from role to role.

And while they might not be nice secrets - and I don't think they are - I don't think I can ban them for the reason of "not being secrets," since it's been proven pretty much over and over again that if someone mentions that they think a popular actor is ugly, fans will judge the hell out of them for it. (While I'm sure they also have people they think are ugly, too.)

If there's some huge influx of "omg so ugly" secrets soon or something, then sure, it might be ugly-anon trolling - but it's just one today. I'll keep an eye out, anyway.

[dethtoll]

Wait, don't we already throw "ship it" secrets into the failbar? Shipping culture can get ridiculous and I know a lot of people would get in trouble because they ship a particular pairing, and yet those aren't considered secrets. So why is "omg so ugly" considered a secret?

I really don't think hatefully judging someone by their physical appearance is really something we should be enabling. Judge their actions, their poor choices in partners, their style of dress, anything they have control over, but shitting on someone for how they look is unsporting at best.

[case]

Yup! Secrets that say "I ship it" and literally nothing else with no context or reason why it's a secret, get failbarred. That rule was made because people were spamming FS by sticking any two random characters together and slapping I SHIP IT across them.

#2 today has more than "SO UGLY" though, so that rule even analogy-wise, doesn't really apply.

And I don't think we have leg to stand on re: the "enabling" argument, considering what gets posted here on Fridays...

[dethtoll]

I only brought it up today because I was tired of seeing it at all.

I don't get it -- we make a big deal about personal attacks over in general comments and in secret threads but we're perfectly fine with these shallow, hurtful secrets?

Whatever, maybe I'll just shut up.

[case]

Yes, and I'm not sure how to put this without sounding blunt, but as a mod I'm here to stop fights between the users here, not between them and Billie Piper.

Like, if a kid in a classroom punches another kid, the teacher has to stop them, right? But if they're drawing a mustache and writing "ewww gross idiot" on a picture of Justin Timberlake, well that's weird, but it'd also be weird to ban him from doing that if he wants to.

Now if that picture were of the kid who sits next to him, there'd be issues, or if the kid that sat next to him were for some reason Justin Timberlake, there'd be issues. But until then, banning something "because it's shallow" wouldn't be a good idea.

[(Anonymous)]

I was initially going to join in dethtoll's and anon's calls to failbar them too, but your explanation makes sense and is a better alternative. Thanks for keeping FS balanced, case!

[dethtoll]

I just don't see much difference between attacking a celebrity's appearance and attacking anyone else.

[case]

Fundamentally, there isn't! An insult to an appearance is an insult to an appearance, sure. It's not about what it is, or that it's a celebrity - I think we can all agree that calling someone hideous is a bad thing to do.

I'm not responsible for defending Billie Piper in the event that someone calls her ugly, though. I am responsible for stopping it if it happens to a user here, that's all. If Billie Piper were here and hurt by it, I'd take it down.

[dethtoll]

Can we at least move them to Fridays, then? Move it in with all the other ugliness (pun intended) secret makers get up to.

And yes, that includes ones like today's.

[case]

I haven't really noticed any big spree of ugly-secrets lately to require that kind of thing, but I can give it a shot, I guess? I don't know if there will even be another this week to begin with, anyway...

[(Anonymous)]

Please don't. It's better to keep the secrets spread evenly over the posts, instead of moving everything that bothers just one user to friday.

[case]

Honestly, chances are it'll be like, one secret. If it's like 10 of them, then I don't think there'd be room anyway.

[juliet316]

You mean like this post calling the OP the C-Word?

http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/967028.html?thread=724169076#cmt724169076

[case]

Yep!