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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-03-03 07:07 pm

[ SECRET POST #2617 ]


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An explanation for OP

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
One of the major reasons why write fanfiction is because they want to create something not found in popular media, basically a form of escapism.

Readers and writers use it as a way of exploring their sexuality, practicing their writing skills, etc.

A major reason why same-sex pairings are so popular in fandom is that there are very few (well written) same-sex couples and LGBT characters in popular media.
You say "WHY DO I NEED TO BE SMACKED IN THE FACE WITH GUY-GUY FIC?" When gay/bisexual people are 'smacked in the face' with GUY-GIRL books, movies and tv shows literally every day.

I'm not saying that not liking slash makes you a bad person, but for the love of God, do not harass or otherwise be mean to people for liking/writing slash. Just because you don't like slash, doesn't make you any more 'special' or 'better' than anyone else or vice versa.

****Oh and fun fact: There are a myriad of straight people (both male and female) who enjoy watching gay porn/ reading gay erotica and there's even some gay people who like to watch straight porn.

Hope I might have cleared some things up for you
Have a nice day :D

Re: An explanation for OP

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
You say "WHY DO I NEED TO BE SMACKED IN THE FACE WITH GUY-GUY FIC?" When gay/bisexual people are 'smacked in the face' with GUY-GIRL books, movies and tv shows literally every day.

Such a huge point that I think a lot of straight people just do not get. It's pretty insulting to complain about when in every other aspect in life it's the opposite and straight people are catered to.

It's perfectly fine to have preferences for fic, what's not okay is this kind of attitude like you're being oppressed or something just because slash exists.

Re: An explanation for OP

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
This is exactly what I came here to say.
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Re: An explanation for OP

[personal profile] inevitableentresol 2014-03-04 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
I agree. It's one of the great points of fanfic that it goes a tiny way to restoring balance.

I'll give even terrible TV a chance if it has gay/bi characters just because it's so rare to see anyone like myself protrayed. I can empathise with straight people in fiction but it gets depressing to have no other option.

In fanfic, most of the fic has queer characters somewhere about, or at least acknowledges them. It's just a relief to finally see something that partway mirrors my own life.

If I had a bad reaction to seeing any kind of slash I think I'd simply avoid fandom. Slash is everywhere. You can be really careful and block it but it's a lot of work. Why bother getting annoyed when traditional media caters for the other sort of relationships amply already?

I have some sympathy for the OP (though I suspect troll) but not for their ignorance. Of course some gay people like straight porn. The opposite is definitely true as well. Most slash communities have a small but regular lesbian showing.
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Re: An explanation for OP

[personal profile] elephantinegrace 2014-03-04 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
And for people like me, I tend to make more female/female fanwork while liking/reblogging/voting for male/male fanworks, simply because there's so much more of them that are such high-quality that you really can't help but admire.
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Re: An explanation for OP

[personal profile] inevitableentresol 2014-03-04 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
Slash is so prevalent in fandom so the sheer quantity does usually mean it garners most of the quality.

When I first came into fandom I read/wrote/did art for gen, het, slash and femslash but I soon found the slash is really where it's at.

I don't miss the gen or het much because I can get that elsewhere. I do slightly wish for more femslash. When I find writers I really like, they often tend to do a little femslash on the side, so that's where I find most of it these days. I've given up writing femslash entirely myself but that's for more personal reasons unconnected to fandom.

Femslash does get less hate but it also gets much fewer views. Maleslash is the one for stirring up public emotions. Gay still shocks.

Ironically, I was reading Martial's epigrams last year (in translation, they're so much fun) and discovered that ancient Romans found lesbianism shocking, much more than m/m sex, which they saw as titterworthy but something that just happened.

Romans believed that lesbians must have huge clitoruses in order to penetrate each other. It's hilarious yet disturbing because of what that says about their world views. Also, the Roman word for 'blow job' was literally 'mouth fucking' which is appalling in its societal connotations.

Sorry for explicitness if it offends.

Re: An explanation for OP

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm fascinated by historical attitudes towards sex. Romans had some weird ideas.

Re: An explanation for OP

(Anonymous) 2014-03-05 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
OT But what does titterworthy mean?? google isn't being much help.
inevitableentresol: a Victorian gentleman with the body of a carrot (Default)

Re: An explanation for OP

[personal profile] inevitableentresol 2014-03-05 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Titterworthy: mostly worthy of ridicule/laughter rather than actual disaproval or persecution. To titter: to giggle naughtily.

Ha, it was a little unclear in context if you didn't know the word.
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Re: An explanation for OP

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-03-04 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
If I had a bad reaction to seeing any kind of slash I think I'd simply avoid fandom.

I disagree with OP, but I think this is kind of over-simplifying too. Many people do fandom for reasons other than (or in addition to) shipping.

Also, het shipping is still everywhere in fandom, so it's not like slash is The Only Option. It may often be the most vocal, but it's certainly not the only popular thing out there.
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Re: An explanation for OP

[personal profile] comradesmiler 2014-03-04 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
You say "WHY DO I NEED TO BE SMACKED IN THE FACE WITH GUY-GUY FIC?" When gay/bisexual people are 'smacked in the face' with GUY-GIRL books, movies and tv shows literally every day.
To be fair to OP, their are fandoms like Sherlock, Supernatural and Teen Wolf where it does go overboard.

Re: An explanation for OP

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, heaven forfend if two guys end up together on the small screen.
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Re: An explanation for OP

[personal profile] comradesmiler 2014-03-04 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just that OP might have grown sick of the way fandoms act.

Re: An explanation for OP

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
What exactly is considered going overboard?

Re: An explanation for OP

(Anonymous) 2014-03-04 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I think what's going overboard for me is insisting that the slash pair you prefer is canon and if someone doesn't see it, then they're an idiot and not a real fan. I've liked slash pairings before that were definitely not canon, but I was told over and over again that I was a stupid poser if I didn't believe that it was canon.