[ SECRET POST #2617 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2617 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Just food for thought...

But if you're going to posit that the reason slash is so popular in fandom is because it's so rare in professional media, why is femmeslash still so rare in fandom? It's not like there are a ton more shows featuring lesbians than there are featuring gay guys.

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently it is because there are no interesting female characters in media these days. At least that is the excuse I always hear. They can't possibly like femmeslash because there are never two good female characters on a show. There is always something wrong with them. (I side eye all of those people all of the time.) I've given up on people liking/writing femmeslash. I really wish I could write. If I had any talent for it whatsoever, I'd be producing a ton of it. Sigh...

[(Anonymous)]

I've rarely seen it said that there are no interesting female characters period, but a common complaint is that there are no interesting female relationships. Which is a more valid criticism. Most female characters are either "paired" (romantically or no, just character-wise) to a man or to no one at all; female friendships are goddamned rare. It sucks.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

You're right. It is generally "there are not two interesting female characters so I can't ship" not a single female character. There really don't have to be female relationships to make a ship if we go by male slash ship standards. I mean, look at MCU. Tony/Loki, Clint/Coulson, and other ships such as that where the characters barely (if at all) interact are huge. Femmeslash ships? Not so much. And, yes, there are fewer female characters in the MCU, but they are not nonexistent. And this is true of so many other fandoms. At least from what I've seen. Obviously there are exceptions. Like the Warehouse 13 fandom where HG/Myka is the juggernaut of the fandom, but I think it holds true for like 90% of the fandoms I've been in.

[deaalmon]

At least in the case of Clint/Coulson, I think the popularity has a lot to do with the implied relationship that can then be taken like a blank slate? It is VERY clear that they know one another, but the nature of that relationship is not seen on screen. Not to mention that Coulson is a pretty wide open character so he tends to become a kind of authorial avatar in some aspects.

Tony/Loki has that one scene that launched a thousand ships in Avengers.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this has a LOT to do with it. Most popular series/shows/whatever don't have good female relationships, especially not ones with lots of tension. I was... well, not surprised, but it was still nice - I'm passively in the Final Fantasy XIII fandom, and it's dominated by femmeslash. Because the female characters lead the game, basically, and their interactions are fierce.

But to be fair, a lot of girls slash guys because they think it's sexy, because they... like guys. And that's okay.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I've noticed that fandoms that DO tend to have a decent amount of femme tend to be women-centric and often have an emphasis on female friendship, or interesting dynamics between at least two women. Sailor Moon is a good example.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, exactly. There's a shitload of femslash in Glee, for example, which is a show that focuses a lot of female friendships. Same for Once Upon a Time, which has women in both friendships and antagonistic relationships.

[(Anonymous)]

Because the sad reality is that there aren't that many woman+woman relationships on which to build any sort of slash potential. In a lot of cases, I've noticed people taking two characters that literally do not ever interact and ship them just for the sake of having femslash, and that can get exhausting. There are simply more well-rounded male characters and relationships with other men. You work with what you're given.

[(Anonymous)]

Very good point, says a frustrated femmeslasher.

I would cut someone for Mass Effect Paragon FemShep / Samara femmeslash.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not a Samara fan at all, but could I interest you in some FemShep/Tali?

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, I'll take it. Links?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I know you said you're not a Samara fan, but if anyone else out there is, I would also take Samara/Jack femmeslash.

[diet_poison]

Honestly? People say it's because women find male slash to be more of a turn-on and vice-versa, and I really think this is true.

I also don't think there's really anything wrong with that.

(I do think it would be cool if femslash got more of a representation, though. Part of it is that I'm not in fandom for porn, and a lot of people write porn. But I have seen some fluff here and there...)

[lilacsigil]

Reason 1, characters: There are fewer female characters. Not saying anything about quality, because fans latch on to all kinds of characters, but if, say, you like a pairing of a tough, no-nonsense action hero-type and an aggressively intelligent scientist-type, there are literally hundreds of canons where this pairing shows up with two male characters, and a smaller number with a male and a female character. Almost none with two female characters. Shows with lots of female characters have lots of femslash: Orphan Black, Harry Potter, Once Upon a Time, Grey's Anatomy. Even fandoms where you have only a few characters but the women drive the plot, you get lots of femslash: Star Trek Voyager, The Devil Wears Prada.

Reason 2, porn: Numerically, there are a lot more women in fandom than men. Numerically, a lot more people are straight than bisexual or gay. So even if a good number of the straight women like femslash too, and even if the number of queer women is higher in fandom than in the general population, you're still going to get more focus on men, or women with men.