[ SECRET POST #2617 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2617 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think people who make a habit of actively avoiding female characters should at least be more willing to examine why that is. A lot of those I meet seem too complacent about it just being a preference thing. Sometimes it really is, but you should think about it.

[lunabee34]

I agree.

For me, liking or disliking one character or even a handful is irrelevant. But I do think that examining patterns of behavior in ourselves is very important.

[diet_poison]

I agree with this, though as many others have said, it might just have a lot to do with how female characters v. male characters are typically written (especially, I'd say, in some genres).

[(Anonymous)]

That's exactly the kind of reason that self-examination would unearth. Though sometimes I even question that, because when a writer is that incompetent with female characters, their male characters usually have problems too. So why I find myself overlooking those flaws?

[diet_poison]

It isn't always because of incompetence. It's because, as others have said, men in fiction are more likely to be treated as characters, and women as props. And you write characters differently than props.

[(Anonymous)]

But then, aren't the women in male-dominated media more likely to be treated as props? Nobody makes a movie or writes a book about props, so that's not really a good reason to eschew female-led media, and this pattern of behavior is more salient in people who disregard media with women as main characters. On the other hand, you could argue that female characters are not well-written even when they are treated as characters, and that speaks for the competence of the writer.

[diet_poison]

Nothing about this thread implied you were talking only about media where women are featured as main characters. In media in general, women are less likely to be written well (which is obviously a problem). Women are also less likely to be written as a real protagonist in popular media. Of course none of this is an excuse to eschew female-led media just because it's female-led, but that media isn't as common as male-led media.

I have a lot of female characters I really, really like, but part of that probably has to do with the kind of media I consume and I tend to gravitate to things that have well-written female characters and avoid the women-as-props problem. I also have very little interest in live-action TV or, say, shooter video games with no plot. That probably helps.

[(Anonymous)]

It seems to have missed you completely, but it's entirely possible for a writer to be able to write better male characters than female character *because the writer is sexist* and has shitty (and wrong) ideas about what women are actually like and how they should be written. This can sometimes translate into shitty stuff with their male characters, but that's not always as obvious (does this male character avoid emotion because he's stoic, or because the writer thinks crying is "for girls"? is more difficult to differentiate than this female character has zero personality or interests other than is "impressed by male character").