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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-03-04 06:32 pm

[ SECRET POST #2618 ]


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(Anonymous) 2014-03-05 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Idk what others say about it, but what is definitely whitewashing and problematic about it is changing the origin story.
s. http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/force-nature-man-rubber-suit-back-look-back-60-years-godzilla-king-monsters/

Originally Godzilla was inspired by an accident involving a test-detonation of a hydrogen bomb by the U.S. resulting in the fatal irradiation of several Japanese fishing boats crews.

See that in the light of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. It's not directly about the American, it's about the atomic bomb itself, yes. But taking this part of American responsibility out of the story is shitty as fuck.

“We’ve taken it very seriously and the theme is man versus nature and Godzilla is certainly the nature side of it,” said Edwards in a July 2013 interview.“

force of nature, ok. but appropriating the story by rewriting it so that Americans shoot atomic bombs to stop godzilla, as it's at least rumoured? that's just wrong in my opinion, if you call it white washing or not.
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[personal profile] rubbertea 2014-03-05 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
That's not whitewashing, though, is it? I thought whitewashing was specifically about erasing POCs by making them white or pretending they don't exist.
What's happening with the origin story is definitely fishy, but I wouldn't call it whitewashing.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-05 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
"To whitewash is a metaphor meaning to gloss over or cover up vices, crimes or scandals or to exonerate by means of a perfunctory investigation or through biased presentation of data"
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[personal profile] rubbertea 2014-03-05 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Is that the primary meaning of the word? Man, I had no idea. Seems like it's been misused a lot lately...
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[personal profile] iceyred 2014-03-05 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
I think it has two separate meanings. The dictionary definition that Anon gave, and the tumblr definition, where they complain about western movies being remade with western actors.
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[personal profile] logicbutton 2014-03-05 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Whitewash is a paint-like substance that lightens the color of things like wood, so the original metaphorical usage was a reference to covering up something dark (negative) in order to make it seem light (positive). The newer usage is a (clever IMO) pun referencing both meanings.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-05 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
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(Anonymous) 2014-03-05 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
Man, I had the most facepalm-worthy moment the other day when someone messaged me to ask why I was talking about the Japanese's tendency to "whitewash" their own history when it has nothing to do with race. And here you are.
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[personal profile] rubbertea 2014-03-05 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
Are you accusing me of sending you that message? I can assure you I had nothing to do with that.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-05 09:00 am (UTC)(link)
The short answer is no. That is not what I meant.

(Anonymous) 2014-03-05 10:48 am (UTC)(link)
Sure, but that's totally different from the meaning of "whitewashing" in the fandom SJ sense.
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WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2014-03-05 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
NOT MY MONSTERRRRRRRRR

Also, you know we've done this like, several times already, right?

(Anonymous) 2014-03-05 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
It's a movie about a giant killer lizard. Don't get your undies in a bunch.

Godzilla movies are popular all over the world and the vast majority are full of Japanese people. One version full of Hollywood white folks (that hopefully doesn't suck like the last one) won't destroy the fragile Asian psyche.
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[personal profile] rubbertea 2014-03-05 08:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not 'getting my undies in a bunch', kthanks. I don't even have a dog in this fight, I was just trying to find a reason why people are saying there's whitewashing.
If they want to make a Godzilla movie with a white cast then they're gonna have to make it work. They could change the setting and have the monster attack a white populated city, for example.