[ SECRET POST #2619 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2619 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes]


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03.
[Pushing Daisies]


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04.
[Dallas Buyers Club]


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05.
[Bravely Default]


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06.
[Fake & Kuroko no Basuke]


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07.
[Warehouse 13]


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08.
[Willem Dafoe]


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[Dexter]


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10.
[Rooster Teeth]


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[Lost Girl]


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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Thank you. And honestly, it has a lot of flaws as well. I actually think in some ways, the first season was stronger - the character development was better later on, but it was also so random it could be a bit less accessible.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed! For some reason I will always love the first season the most even though the writers were still struggling with the characters and it wasn't quite as funny, I liked that there were fewer theme/spoof episodes and Greendale felt more like a real place.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it was due to all the fandom squee but I had really high expectations of this show. Then I watched the first episode and thought... meh, I don't get it. I mean, it's funny, but not piss-your-pants hilarious. I usually try to give shows more benefit of the doubt, but I just couldn't summon up the interest to keep watching.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it grows on you. I thought the first episode was pleasant enough but not really funny. I got to the paintball episode before I was really *laughing* at it.

[(Anonymous)]

IMO, You have to give a show two episodes. Pilots are almost universally awkward; you have to introduce characters in a way that doesn't feel too introductory and establish the world and characteristics. Plenty of my all-time favorite shows have bad pilot episodes, there's just too much to do and a limited number of minutes to do it in. A second episode can be so much better once you know the character's names and don't have to waste time one that.

[(Anonymous)]

I generally agree but I think the first season was probably the most even of all the seasons so the pilot episode is a pretty good example of what's going on for the rest of that season.

[truxillogical]

Not even. First episode is generic "wacky group" show, like Friends or something, where Jeff and Britta are our "will they won't they" couple taking center stage for the rest of the cast to orbit around. No one had really settled into their roles. Troy was still more jock than goof-nerd and...well, really all of the characters were still just showing their one main note. It's an alright episode, but not as good a representation of what people really found noteworthy about the show.

[truxillogical]

The first episode is a lousy one to start on because they were still finding their feet, writing and acting-wise, so it's still kind of a generic "here's a group of friends" show. Heck, in the first episode it's clear that the writers thought Jeff and Britta were going to be their main characters, which is just so weird in retrospect.

I usually start people off with the first Paintball episode. It's later in the first season, but it's a pretty good microcosm of what the show really is.

This!

[(Anonymous)]

My sister got me started on this show with the Paintball episodes - we watched both of them, back when there were only the first two, and I was hooked. When I went back and started from the beginning though, I probably wouldn't have gotten past the first episode if I didn't know it got better.

[sporkly]

Nothing wrong with that.

Actually, I think more than few fans could learn that your favorite show doesn't have to be groundbreaking, perfect, or good even; you just need to enjoy the hell out of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I really like it too but the attitude you describe among fans is a reason I've never participated in fandom. It's a funny show but it's not the most brilliant show ever made.

[unicornherds]

You have excellent taste.

Also I agree. Sort of. It's definitely got it's really original bits and has broken a few of the 'rules' or whatever, but it's not omgbestthingevergeniusworkofart that a lot of fans like to think. And it is definitely not perfect. Far from it, in fact.

[(Anonymous)]

It's also not half as groundbreaking as Dan Harmon thinks it is. What? You wrote a sitcom episode where the bulk of the plot is two characters having a conversation in a restaurant? This is so very bold!

[(Anonymous)]

"ou wrote a sitcom episode where the bulk of the plot is two characters having a conversation in a restaurant? This is so very bold!"

To paraphrase South Park: "Seinfeld did it! Seinfeld did it!" :P

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Though I think that episode's bigger hook is that everyone else is in one scenario (an overt Pulp Fiction homage that sets up the possibilities of hijinks, which is what you'd expect Abed's character to be most interested in, and what the viewer is expecting Abed and Jeff to get to), but Abed and Jeff end up in another, and it's a riff on My Dinner with Andre. It's somewhat unexpected for NBC primetime.

[cloud_riven]

Thisssss

It's a fun show, and I loved the way it used to be like each episode was like watching a tiny movie, but it's by no means a godsend. It's rather all over the place with characters inconsistently written, flanderization and stagnating jokes.

[making_excuses]

It is a pretty good show, the fandom completely ruined it for me.

I had more, but it involved TBBT and I don't want to start a discussion...

[intrigueing]

I haven't seen any of Community, but from everything I've heard, it's the critics and people thoroughly versed in media and TV trends, just as much (if not even more) than the fans who praise it as groundbreaking.

[truxillogical]

I think a lot of its groundbreaking stuff is actually kind of the more subtle stuff that we don't always see as groundbreaking because when you spell it out, it seems like it's stuff that really should be around more. Troy and Abed alone, I think, are something unique, not just for being a more accurate version of geeks, but because they're the best friend bromance (who, to be honest, are pretty close to center for an ensemble cast) and neither of them are white. And in a mainstream show, that's...kind of surprising? (Also, Abed isn't neurotypical, although they never give an exact diagnosis, but that's another thing that's interesting to see, especially in episodes where they--humorously but genuinely--explore the way he perceives the world, and his own awareness of his issues and his coping mechanisms. That may not be 100% groundbreaking, but it still feels like something I haven't seen much of).

I dunno, stuff like that. The meta humor is wonderfully done, for the most part, and usually fresh and joyful, but that isn't necessarily groundbreaking. Just nice.

[(Anonymous)]

They identify Abed as having Asperger's in the very first episode.

[truxillogical]

Not so much.

Jeff casually throws it out there as part of his "here's what's wrong with you" speech, as a sort of insult, in his frustration. It's not an actual diagnosis.

[(Anonymous)]

eh I do feel like this show brings something I love and I don't get anywhere else, but I'm not going to argue that it's a ground-breaking masterwork.

veeryy OT: I was desperately trying to make conversation with someone recently when this show came up. She said that she'd seen it and liked the characters, and I responded excitedly that it was one of my favourite shows. But apparently she'd stopped watching near the end of the first season because it "started getting weird" and at that point I kind of gave up on having a single thing to talk about.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not groundbreaking in a "This is so UNIQUE and INTERESTING." It's groundbreaking in that it takes so much joy from pop culture and having fun. The groundbreaking is that it doesn't take itself seriously at all, and that's what I love about it. I have the same enjoyment from it I get with pre-Season 5 Scrubs.

Also, it's the first time my college experience has been adequately portrayed.

[truxillogical]

I think "joy" really is the key word to the show (and what was missing from the Season 4 gas leak). Finally caught up to the "Lava World" episode, and everything about it was perfect, but it finally really struck me that part of what's so charming about the show is that when called to play like children, everyone in the cast plays wholeheartedly, and without an ounce of cynicism. There's a childlike (as opposed to childish) joy to the whole thing, and it's just so wide-eyed and earnest, and it feels like getting part of your childhood back.