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I sort of agree? I mean I just hate hypocrites who tell themselves that they're doing something for the betterment of mankind when really they're just out for revenge. I mean, I can understand her wanting revenge against him, but she should own up to it. Better yet, she could find some evidence of what he's done and let some actual justice be done.

I always thought she did it because she wanted to kill someone, not even so much from a 'revenge' stand-point.

Could be. I haven't seen the movie in a while.

Either way I think it makes for an interesting story. I only watched the movie because I have a weakness for morally ambiguous or even flat-out reprehensible characters, and I think the interpretation I put in my first comment and yours both fit that bill.

Right, because the justice system has such a great track record with sexual abusers.

I'm a little embarrassed by this one. I made this right after watching the movie, and I was writing from a point of anger. If I was writing it today, I'd tone down the language a lot.

i don't think it's so bad. no need to be embarrassed!

Good. You should be. High and mighty "you're a horrible person if you don't see things my way" secrets say much more (negative) things about the poster than the people they are trying to look down on and judge.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) - 2014-03-08 15:51 (UTC) - Expand

One of the reasons I loved this movie was because I felt it did really good job at being so ambiguous in if he was the killer or not. So gotta really disagree with you on the "if you don't automatically know he's bad you are a bad person" line you threw in there.

Jeff hits pretty much every note corresponding to "pickup artist"--offers affection at times, but diminishes Hayley and treats her as childlike in ways that encourage her to "prove" herself, makes a big deal out of small favors and implies that he expects significant repayment, initiates talk about sex in ways that make Hayley seem like the initiator . . . Everything he does in the first twenty minutes is geared around making Hayley become more and more intimate with him while making it seem like she's the one choosing to do so. This is twisted enough when guys try it on grown women, let alone teenagers. (Granted, Hayley sees right through him, but he doesn't know that at the time.)

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(Anonymous) - 2014-03-08 08:27 (UTC) - Expand

Wow, this sounds like an awesome movie.

Yes, yes, I'm sure it really is awesome if you like this sort of thing.

...is the first line supposed to be sarcastic? I thought you were genuine and was going to reply as such but the tiny font makes me think not so much with the genuine.

Wow, what's with the condescending attitude? I'm sure your taste is so much better than the rest of us plebs.

^yeah, poorly phrased, sorry

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DAMMIT

Re: ^yeah, poorly phrased, sorry

(Anonymous) - 2014-03-08 00:34 (UTC) - Expand

I sort of agree? I liked that they managed to have Jeff come to terms with who he really is before he hung himself and he seemed to feel genuine remorse for his previous actions since he went through with his "execution". Not a lot of movies can pull that off in giving someone who did monstrous things a sense of guilt and humanity.

However, I don't really agree about Haley. She's at the very least still a teenager, so I wouldn't really call her monstrous or on the same level as what Jeff did. And the director commentary kind of hinted that Haley was sexually abused, so it sort of makes sense that she's on this vengeance streak. I can't speak for all sexual abuse survivors, but coming from my own experience I did have fantasies of revenge against my abusers, so I can understand how Haley is sort of cathartic for people like me. I wouldn't call her a hero, more like an anti-hero, who does what she thinks is right but through destructive actions. It doesn't make her kind or someone to be put on a pedestal, but perhaps just as human as Jeff turned out to be.

I don't mean to get sappy, but thank you for distinguishing yourself from some of the more questionable fans of Jeff. It really means a lot, OP.

I rooted for her all the way. I didn't think she was some great hero or anyways, it was just cathartic to see a reversal of a power dynamic.

Fucking same. All the pious "oh, let him get proper justice" posters above make me sick. Victims (most especially women) are routinely shafted (again) by the so-called justice system.

Same. She even said in the film twce that she can't bring him to justice in court because they'd probably take his side. Which is sadly often true.

I saw this movie shortly after seeing "Angels in America" for the first time, so went in with a lot of warm and fuzzy feelings for Patrick Wilson. My love for him, and Joe Pitt, completely colored my first viewing of "Hard Candy"- I couldn't not root for him. I might feel differently if I rewatched it now, but that is one movie I never plan on watching again. Excellent, but so intense it made me sick to my stomach. Ellen Page is amazing, though.

Is that Patrick Wilson? I didn't realize he was in this!

I get it. I especially don't understand the fact that she is a heroine when in the end I was like she should get caught for attempted murder and assault and whatnot, lowering herself to his level and even lower. An eye for an eye, I get it, but the fact that she seemed to enjoy it a little too much wasn't something that made me proud of her.

Whatever that is, it sounds kinda depressing

I don't see Hayley as a heroine of any sort (she's clearly vengeful as fuck and off her rocker), but as a sexual assault survivor, I didn't feel any kind of pity for Jeff, or feel any respect for the character. They're both monsters, but at least Hayley goes after other monsters instead of, you know, kids. That doesn't make her actions excusable, but I root for her way more than him.

I think it makes her actions totally valid and the amount of victim-blaming and poor-abuser crap in this thread makes me despair. She scared the shit out of him, that's all. Good.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-03-08 15:58 (UTC) - Expand

Hayley was terrible, but I couldn't stop rooting for her.

I have a thing for vigilantes.

I liked that film precisely because it is a There Are No Good People film.