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⌈ Secret Post #2622 ⌋

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Comments

[illiadandoddity]

I have mixed feelings about this, because on one hand, no, the average American feminist probably doesn't understand the subtleties of Japanese culture and how a piece of media is viewed over there and is highly likely to misinterpret the intended meaning.

On the other hand, I think sometimes sexist things can be egregious enough that you can't just excuse it as "oh, that's their culture". If, for example, you have a scene where a guy gropes a girl, she gets mad at him, and he plays it off like he was just joking (I've seen that more than once in more than one series), I think we can still judge that guy as being an asshole whether or not the author thought it was a serious problem or not.

[sarillia]

Pretty much my feelings on this too

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you.

Intersectionality and acknowledging cultural context and the shades of subtlety that may not necessarily translate is absolutely important, but 'it's their culture' can be taken to absurdity just as easily as blithely projecting your own context. It's not as if the sexism (& racism & etc) that people are pushing back against in America isn't part of our culture, after all.

[illiadandoddity]

Just because something is a part of a particular culture doesn't mean it's a good part of a culture! But challenging the problematic parts of your culture should be a movement within the culture, not from people outside of it who don't fully understand it. So for the most part, I feel that American feminists should let Japanese feminists handle their own issues, and not tell them they're doing it wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

DA. But isn't there are difference between talking about the media you consume, which is distributed globally, and talking about country politics? I absolutely agree that there should be respect between feminist communities about how to handle issues, but I feel like this line gets blurred when we're talking about media that also has an effect outside of one's country.

Like do you ever see someone say, "Hey you're not American" in regards to talking about Pixar? Or Disney? Is everyone who talks about BBC's issues British? What about all the media that is actually produced in several countries? What then?

[feotakahari]

Can we draw a distinction between "telling them they're doing it wrong" and "offering our opinion?" I mean, if I wrote something that was supposed to be really feminist, and a Japanese feminist offered her own critique based in ideas from that culture, I'd actually be interested to hear what she had to say.

[(Anonymous)]

So... could someone from Japan not say it's kind of squicky how many female characters on Supernatural die just to motivate the male main characters?

[(Anonymous)]

No.

Welcome to neo-feminism!

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with your point of view, but not with your statement about how we should all just "mind our own business". Being critical is important. Now, it's important to be self-critical, too - we shouldn't accuse others without realizing we have problems, too. But damn straight we should be critical of Japan for being a very sexist society. Or Uganda for its anti-gay laws, etc.

[illiadandoddity]

I never said we should "mind our own business", although apparently everyone's interpreting my comment that way, so I must have phrased it badly. What I meant was that for a culture to change, the change really has to come from within, not from other cultures forcing their views and mores on it. By all means, western feminists can talk about their viewpoints of Japanese media, but when a Japanese woman tells us what she thinks, we should damn well shut up and listen to her instead of telling her "your interpretation is wrong!" Chances are good that she knows better than us what's going on in that series.

[(Anonymous)]

I think in the context of that scenario, the guy would still be an asshole even in Japanese culture. It's just that, more than likely, nobody would say anything about it, which is pretty normal in a lot of places. But the guy doing that would probably still be viewed as kind of a douche character (save for the few people who think he's a ~cool bad boy~ I guess).

Uh, yeah. I'm pretty much just agreeing with you so I don't really know why I made this comment. *tap dances away*

[(Anonymous)]

Came here to say this.

I'm not Japanese, but visited Japan and hell yes I had a great deal of opinions about sexism in Japan.

I'm going to be cautious about talking about it like I am the alpha and omega of judgement about it however, because I'm not from that culture. And if I had an imaginary position of power...

Here in Australia, the (mostly white) government, under the guise of concern for women (and children), has quarantined welfare payments for a large number of Indigenous people and moving the freaking ARMY in, and that is pretty fucking damn controversial amongst Indigenous folk since they would have loved to have been, you know, been given a SAY about what would HELP, and most agree it is most definitely not THAT.