[ SECRET POST #2627 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2627 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Malcolm In The Middle, Everybody Loves Raymond, Home Improvement, Rescue Me, Prison Break]


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03.
[Michelle Kwan]


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04.
[Bear Nuts by Alison Acton]


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05.
[Supernatural]


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[OP note: pic credit to Ksenia Nurtdinova]


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07.
[Seanan McGuire, Jonathan Ross and his wife Jane Goldman]


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08.
[Karen Gillian/Doctor Who]


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09.
[Mary Poppins (1964 movie)]


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10.
[El Goonish Shive]


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11.
[Noragami]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 015 secrets from Secret Submission Post #375.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[rivia]

he doesn't deserve a shot at redemption when so many other (not white cis dude) characters didn't get one.

i mean he doesn't deserve one to begin with, because ya know, he's awful, but still. there were a whole hell of a lot of characters that had more 'humanity' and had done far less damage than crowley did and they ~deserved to die~

[(Anonymous)]

I can't remember there being any trans* characters in Supernatural, so they can hardly be being cheated of their redemption so the white cis guy can get a chance.

[rivia]

so? i was describing the character by his privilege, because that's what he is?

i mean there is the whole 'demons are just smoke and angry feelings without genders' but they (and angels) are not written that way and that's what crowley was as a human, so.

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Why is his privilege even relevant to the discussion?

Re: NAYRT

[rivia]

now that i think of it, idk if privilege was necessarily the right word for what i meant, i'm not at my most articulate so i'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. :/

[fingalsanteater]

Supernatural isn't a fount of representation in the first place, as much as you and I wish it were, so this comment is irrelevant. The main characters are a bunch of while dudes. I can't think of a main character besides poor dead Kevin who isn't a white dude.

I mean, Meg kinda got some redemption while Bela didn't if you wanna talk about female characters. Kevin didn't need to be redeemed. You wanted that one douchy black guy who got turned in vampire to be redeemed? Who else is there that "deserved to die" but could have been redeemed? Ruby? Raphael?

[rivia]

How the fuck does that make my comment irrelevant? Because the show is shit at minority representation? Gee that might be the whole point of my comment.

[fingalsanteater]

Arguing that Crowley, an existing character, shouldn't be redeemed because the existing characters don't represent minorities is ridiculous. I agree there should be more minority and better representation in Supernatural, but the fact that there isn't doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't explore a specific plotline with an existing character.

[(Anonymous)]

...which is exactly why it's irrelevant. Race, gender, etc. has zero bearing on whether someone's redeemable or not.

[(Anonymous)]

...except when you're a scriptwriter.

Though this show doesn't even consider most people who aren't white, etc worth even including, so yeah.

[rivia]

that's not that i meant, i'm trying to say that how crowley the king of hell, of all characters, gets even the option of a redemption, over other characters who have done far less is ridiculous. i think a reason for that is that he's a fan fave, and surprise, the fandom loves their white dudes.

i'm not trying to say that race or gender have anything to do with whether a character is redeemable or not, just that it probably factored into why it's something that happened to crowley, and not say, meg. because the fandom hated her. because she's a she.

i am trying to be clear, it's just late so if it's not i apologize.