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⌈ Secret Post #2635 ⌋

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[Casshern (film)]

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[cosplay, Anthony Misiano]

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03. http://i.imgur.com/4s3vCwo.png
[link for nudity/etc. naked mpreg snape with boobs.]

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04. http://i.imgur.com/aQi1eUV.png
[link for nudity (OP requested it; not really sexual though. probably would've been ok, considering the one below ↓)]

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08. [posted twice]

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[Josh Radnor]

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10. [SPOILERS for Sherlock]

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11. [SPOILERS for Grimm]

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12. [SPOILERS for Twisted]

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13. [WARNING for ephebophilia]

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14. [WARNING for suicide]

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a.) Legal or not, sex with a consenting 13 year old is still pretty abusive, so how does your country as a whole handle that kind of abuse when it's legal?

b.) I don't know where you live, so I'm looking at it on a global scale. And maybe, maybe you do live in an anomalous area in which you have that low of an age of consent and yet the country and legal system still handles sexual abuse okay, somehow. But by and large, places with low ages of consent are also places where child brides are a serious thing, a prevalent problem, and where it is far, far easier to get away with child sexual abuse than most others.

As I mentioned, I don't think that somehow the low age of consent causes any of this. I am well aware that many other places with much higher ages of consent also have these problems. As I also mentioned, though, this is an important correlation that can't be ignored. Additionally, the biggest problem is simply that certain things become much harder to track down and/or prosecute with just that few years' difference in the ages of consent.

Italy is where 14 is legal and it's not a country of child brides. It's legal if A) the teen consents and B) the adult is not a figure of authority to the teen such as a parent or a schoolteacher. Your friend's older broher? Perfectly legal. If the teen consents there's no abuse at all and YES a 14-year-old is perfectly capable of saying "yeah let's have sex" or "no go away" just as they understand the risks of sex. I had my sex ed on pregnancies, abortion and diseases in elementary school and even then my schoolmates and I were smart enough to understand that safe sex = good unsafe sex = bad.

Educate yourself before speaking idiocy.

If american teenagers cannot grasp what an european elementary school pupil can, the only explanation is that American society breeds stupid people. Not that I had any doubts; the thread is merely confirmation.

I don't know the full situation in Italy, but I do sincerely hope the entire country is as you described it. Experience and research tell me it might not be, the all too often people who are "educated" are anything but. I admit I am biased, coming from a country in which sex education is shoddy at best, which means even rational decisions about sex aren't always possible (excluding the emotional ramifications). But given that Italy's media-cultural sexism/portrayal sexuality is at least as bad as America, I'm inclined to wonder how much sexuality education outside of sex education there actually is.

Either way, this is still a better situation than most countries in which you see ages of consent as low as 13*, which tend to be places like central Africa and Europe and parts of South America - the same parts of the world with particularly pointed reputations for things like sex trafficking, child sexual abuse, and child brides...second only to the parts of the world which effectively don't have ages of consent to begin with.

And while it's only one year off, 14 is still not really as young as 13 - pushing it, certainly, but I will agree that's when teenagers at least start to handle more rational though processes and bigger problems that include sex. And as you mentioned, there are exceptions and parameters which Google-fu tells me raises the age of consent back up in the most concerning situations to begin with, as with the other European countries with lower ages of consent - especially when combined with laws about how much ignorance of the younger participants' age can factor into a legal defense, which Italy seems to have quite a bit of.

I think perhaps one point I should clarify is this: when I said this is a situation in which correlation =/= causation, I am serious about that. My biggest issues with the ages of consent are not just the direct ramification of kids as young as that AoC having sex, but also how - from the legal standpoint and the perspective of criminal court, prosecution, and human rights violations investigations - very young ages of consent tend to open the doors to a whole host of other problems that are often only indirectly related to legal sex to begin with. At that point, even the one year gap between 14 and 13, or 13 and 12, can make a huge difference, as well as whether or not these are hardlines or malleable. Another quick search suggests that countries with ages of consent around 14-17 usually couple those with various expansions, exceptions, and parameters to minimize the potential for abuse. Countries with lower ages of consent or no age of consent for sex? Not so much, and usually the places with much higher records of sexual abuse of both children and adults/adult women.

As far as Italy is concerned, it goes like this:

Under 13: not legal.

13: legal only if the partner isn't older than 16.

14-15: legal if the adult doesn't represent Authority to the teen, such as a parent, teacher, priest, etc. etc. If you have the hots for your friend's 25-year-old cousin you saw at a party, he's not Authority to you, he's just a random hot guy so he's not committing any crime.

16-17: legal even with aforementioned figures as long as it's a consensual act and not something obtained via abuse of authority. Well, except the parent, parent/sibling incest's not legal. Don't know how adoptive parents figure into this since they're not blood-related.

18 and older: 100% legal, yo.

Prostitution and pornography: must be 18 or older.
Marriage: must be 18 or older, though courts can make an exception for 16-year-olds if there are serious enough reasons to and the 16-year-old is asserted mature enough.

This seems far more reasonable to me than making blanket statements such as "anyone having sex with a 15-year-old is a pedophile teens aren't capable of consent".

That is fantastically reasonable (and part of the point I was trying to make earlier, that low ages of consent are a problem because they are associated with unclear laws that leave the door open for abuse, rather than loosely structured laws that can make room for unusual situations while still protecting people).

I honestly don't have many problems with a low age of consent for its own sake - my frustration is just that given the nature of sexuality in most of the world today, they don't really protect people enough.

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