[ SECRET POST #2636 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2636 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't he pretty widely seen as controversial because his training methods are at least semi-abusive? I've only ever heard him brought up when people are arguing about whether he is abusing the dogs or if his methods are justified.

[queerwolf]

Not to my knowledge. I've never heard that about him. Doesn't mean it couldn't be true but I've only ever heard good things about him/watched his show.

[(Anonymous)]

There's been criticism about his methods being based on outdated assumptions about how wolf packs operate and whether or not going the positive reinforcement/reward system is better than his pack dominance/punishment approach. I'm not a pet owner or a dog expert, but that seems like a sensible thing to question, IMO.

http://www.livescience.com/5846-critics-challenge-dog-whisperer-methods.html

[queerwolf]

I had no idea. Thanks for the link. I obviously need to read up on him and his methods. Positive reinforcement is always better than punishment.

[(Anonymous)]

DA-- the only serious dog trainer type people I know (via tumblr, so take with a mountain of salt) loathe this guy. According to them his training basically involves hurting/intimidating the dog into submission, which does not make for a happy dog and depending on the breed and temperament of the dog can leave them with other issues. Also his credentials were basically: had his own reality show. I've never watched his show, so I dunno how accurate that is.

My family clicker trained our dogs, and the only time I've ever seen them show aggression is when people have threatened me or my mom. We actually did something mean that we shouldn't have; my mom and I pretend fought in front of them to see who they'd protect. Turns out they always backed up the 'loser,' so I don't think the whole 'one human takes the place of alpha dog' thing is always true.

As for this particular dog, yeah that sucks, but depending on where you guys live your friends may not have a no-kill shelter in the area, and all shelters everywhere are always overcrowded. It could be that your friend's husband reminds the dog of something/someone bad: dogs aren't people, but they're still capable of associating unrelated things, like jumping up on someone and getting squirted with a squirt bottle. So if someone with the same timbre of voice, or general build, or hair color or scent or whatever once hit the dog, or yelled at the dog, or the husband once stepped on the dog's tail/took away a half-full food bowl/whatever, the dog may just be freaked out by him, and not humans in general.

Do you (or they) know if it bites other people, or only your friend's husband? Knowing the answer to that might make the difference between a dog, that, say, could be adopted by a single woman but not a big burly guy, and an un-adoptable dog that'll probably be put down.

[queerwolf]

Yeah, if he's using punishment/intimidation instead of rewarding good behavior, ot that's not good. I had no idea and I'll be researching him more.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

To add onto what other people have said...if he's basing his techniques on wolf packs then he's basing his entire thing around a different species to begin with. Research has proven that dog packs actually tend to have the dog with the most friends [or, basically, the one who gets on with everyone else] being the leader of the pack, where as wolves tend to be well...the wolf whose the best fighter*.

So, if *that's* what he's basing his stuff on? That's not good.

*The reason they gave for why the differences might be is that wolves and dogs have been separate species for tens of thousands of years, so differences were breed into them and developed over time.

[(Anonymous)]

Even so, most shelters and rescues will not adopt out a dog that shows any sort of aggression, period. They just can't risk it for liability reasons.