ext_33427 ([identity profile] degrees.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2007-11-15 04:50 pm

[ SECRET POST #314 ]


⌈ Secret Post #314 ⌋

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Notes:

SORRY THIS IS SO LATE. That's what I get for taking a nap ._.

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 39 secrets from Secret Submission Post #045.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 ] broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 2 3 ] repeats, [ 1 ] personal attack.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Friday, November 16th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2007-11-16 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
Every gay chara in CLAMP, even those with a canon declaration of love, are denied to be gay.

Cause Tomoyo's not in love with Sakura, she's just 'confused'. Obviously Sakura isn't, despite being the same age as Tomoyo, just because her love interest is a boy, not another girl.

And Touya and Yukito aren't almost married in the manga, they're just BFF.

And a big etc, there're TONS of non-conventional couples in CLAMP. Everything that's not 'het pairing where both charas are hot and the same age' is denied and bashed by 'het fanbrats'.

Hell, just look at the HP fandom and how they reacted to Dumbledore being gay. And I don't mean the slash fans who rejoiced, I mean those who were saying they'd burn their copies of the books and who said Dumbledore wasn't JKR's to change, etc.
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[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2007-11-16 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
Well, you have lots and lots and LOTS of pairings. You can find gay, het, het/asexual, gay/asexual, het/robot, gay robots, older/younger, younger/older.. anything goes.

I've had people tell me Tomoyo was nothing but best friends with Sakura even when I not only quoted them the original manga where she SAYS right out that she loves her and not in the way Sakura loves her, but also the interview with the authors where they comment on how Tomoyo's love for Sakura is selfless, etc. Meaning, you couldn't get more canon, official, and plain CLEAR than that. And they still said I was sick for saying that bullshit about a clean, normal kids's show.

So yeah, they do.

why can't het fans do the same thing, only in reverse?

Of course they can. And they do. And I don't care. What I care is when they bitch at people for slashing stuff when OMG IT'S NOT CANON!11. Like the OP.
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[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2007-11-16 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
Believe me, it's canon. It's as canon as Sakura/Syaoran, and they're gonna end up married (canon too! the artbook comment to the cover of volume 12, the last one, is that they dressed Sakura up as a bride to show the happy future she'd have). I could dig up quotes and references and the manga pages in which she says 'I love you, Sakura' or that 'her happiness is to see the one she loves happy' and then say to Sakura 'my happiness is your happiness' a few chapters later.

which is why the het vs yaoi battle is so wtf to me. seriously. wtf. who cares. you're entitled to be pissed when someone makes a canonly gay character straight if you want, I guess... so why rag on someone who gets pissed when a canonly straight character is turned gay?

it's dumb either way, but still, what good will ranting back at them do? it's an argument as old as time (it might as well be, rather), and no one's opinion is going to change. I'm pretty sure of that.


A) I don't believe 'no one's opinion is going to change', sorry.

B) If you mean me posting to the OP? It was sarcasm. I was pointing out how silly it is to say it's bad when a slash fan does it, when it's actually annoying when ANY fan of any pairing does that.
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[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2007-11-16 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
I know, that's why I won't. I meant it really IS canon cause you said it didn't strike you as gay. Was just pointing out my example wasn't of a fanon-opinion.

Re: A: I mean in general. And yes, even with something silly like this.

Re: B: I ranted about it because I think the OP was making a stupid generalisation. And I tried to point out how stupid it was by showing it's the same thing for gay charas as well. Sorry if my comment wasn't of your liking? :|

(Anonymous) 2007-11-16 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
13, eh?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RomanticTwoGirlFriendship


Anyway.

(Anonymous) 2007-11-16 10:46 am (UTC)(link)
b.

aaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahah


this is fandomsecrets, since when is any wank on a secret sticking to the topic of the secret? or are you a mod who is now trying to enforce discussion and make sure it stays within the parameters of what's acceptable to discuss in this community?

have the rules changed?