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[ SECRET POST #2643 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2643 ⌋

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As someone to control and manipulate? Yeah, I can see that.

...maybe I can get into this show after all.

Haha that was my thought, too. "Wow, now I really need to watch Hannibal."

Is this meant to praise one or condemn the other? And which is which?

Keller didn't love Beecher. Keller was a sociopath who used Beecher. His only concern with Beecher's feelings and welfare were in his own self interest. Push Beecher too far and he won't get him back in his control when he feels like it. Kill him and he won't be around to manipulate for Keller's own amusement.

I haven't seen all of Hannibal but it didn't seem as extreme with Hannibal and Will in the first season as Keller with Beecher.

I would say it is just as extreme, if not moreso, for Hannibal and Will. Hannibal allowed Will to have seizures from high fever, hallucinations, etc. (while Will pleaded with him not to lie to him), killed people he cared for, force fed him people, including the ear of someone he cared for, and framed him for murder. Among other things. He obviously has no repect for Will's feelings/desires and only does things to suit his own ends. So how is that less extreme?

this comment makes me want to watch Hannibal now.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-02 04:00 (UTC) - Expand

Holy cow. Why am I not watching this show?

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thistlechaser - 2014-04-02 04:12 (UTC) - Expand

Nah, that's pretty much Hannibal and Will's relationship too.

Then why did Keller take the fall for Beecher after Beecher had Schillinger's son killed?

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(Anonymous) - 2014-03-30 17:44 (UTC) - Expand

I disagree. Keller was very much a sociopath, but I think it was pretty clear by the end that he did love Beecher. (Which makes it an even scarier situation for poor Toby to be in, IMO, but even so)

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(Anonymous) - 2014-03-31 01:55 (UTC) - Expand

It sounds to me like you stopped watching Oz in the middle? The situation was a LOT more complex than that. And it was obvious fairly early on, actually: the whole Beecher/Keller dynamic changed after the first cataclysmic revelation and Beecher's recovery and never really tipped back into what you describe as 'Keller just using Beecher'. I am not even entirely convinced that's what it was at first.

Real people are usually too complicated to be reduced to a single sentence and Keller may have been a psychopath, but he was undeniably in love with Beecher. The reverse is much more debatable, in my opinion.

Why? How? Keller was abusive, but he still loved Beecher and was able to sacrifice himself from time to time for Beecher's happiness. Hannibal on the other is just using Will, he doesn't care for Will's feelings.

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"Keller didn't love Beecher. Keller was a sociopath who used Beecher."

"Keller was abusive, but he still loved Beecher."

Alternate Character Interpretation woo!

(I never watched this show, to be honest.)

Those two comments next to each other were hilarious.

IMO Keller was a sociopath in love. Does it make sense?

LOL I love the juxtaposition :)

Keller really was a sociopath in canon but he honestly did seem to love Beecher. It was weird and kinda wonderful and yet really sick all the same time.

You should. It is sometimes very hard to take as it it can be extremely violent, graphically so, depressing and downright disgusting, but it is always worth watching. Really. It is a classic and apart from the last season, I would recommend it all. Preferably in order so you can follow the storyline which can get rather complex as it has both episodic story lines as well as overarching ones, Beecher and Keller's relationship being one of the latter.

And by the way, it's not exactly an alternate character interpretation: that's the way most people who have watched Oz see it as a matter of fact... In fact I suspect that first response may have been confusing Keller with Vern Schillinger. The description used is exactly how I see the Beecher/Schillinger relationship.

In a way that is fucked up (but no one agrees on how much) but still caring (again no one knows how much)

Oh mannnn oh god why would you do this

like I wasn't already into this goddamn ship enough akdsfbyfhkoc you had to put it in mind with one of my old favourites!

I think all Oz fans are sadistic! Aren't we? :D

I watched the first eight eps of Hannibal today. Loving it! Never would have tried it without this secret and the comments.

I am not the OP, I just want to say that your icon-kitty is extremely happy looking and makes me smile.

Re: Thanks, OP :D

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