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⌈ Secret Post #315 ⌋

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In short, keep your women out of my SPN.

Do you really mean that?

Look, I want the show to remain about brotherhood, too. I want it to be the Sam and Dean show, not the Scooby Gang from Buffy--a show I don't particularly like--with large numbers of people of all genders and all the interpersonal drama that went with that.

But I loved Ellen, and I liked Jo a lot after they realised she was Dean's fangirl and little sister and stopped trying to make them boyfriend and girlfriend.

I realise the CW has put a lot of pressure on Kripke to add more hot women characters, while deleting Jo and Ellen because they couldn't be shipped with the boys. But I think that by making Ruby a demon and Bela a complete bitch who is out to get the boys, Kripke is doing OK in the "not giving them girlfriends and associated relationship DRAH-MA" sweepstakes, which is all I ask. I like Ruby. I don't like Bela, but I don't think we are supposed to like Bela, either. (Which has never stopped me from liking characters I like, but the point is, I don't feel she's being shoved down my throat.)

I know that those people who get on and bitch about how "misogynist" our fandom is every time we object to girlfriends and luuuuuuuuurve interests, a lot of whom are imports from Buffy and want canon het and want our show to be like theirs, are annoying as goddamn shit, but when you say things like what I just quoted, you make them look right, so please don't.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. So far I've absolutely hated every female character they've brought in for more than one episode. Maybe if they came up with one I was interested in and had a good dynamic, I wouldn't be so angry at the women of Supernatural. But there it is, I am. I mean, Bela's starting to grow on me, but even then it's only in a 'please let this story line GO somewhere' sense. I guess that one's hope. I hate Ruby. I hated Ellen. I really hated Jo.

I'm so totally the opposite in every other fandom I'm in. I don't think there are enough women in Law and Order or House and so on. I think Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings are downright embarrassing for their lack of strong female roles. I just don't think Supernatural is the right venue for girl characters. It's the boy's club.

Yes, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but it's a really weird opinion there. What about SPN makes it the boys' club? Sam and Dean live in a world that's half female, they don't live in a country where women are kept in purdah--it would be really WEIRD if a significant number of the people they interact with on a regular basis weren't female. And there's nothing they do that requires a dick, balls or a Y chromosome. There should be women in their world.

That doesn't mean the focus has to be on these characters or that it should become an ensemble cast like Buffy. Absolutely not. But why the recurring characters in their world should all be male, is there some reason for that? I can't think of one.

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