[ SECRET POST #2646 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2646 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Free! Iwatobi Swim Club]


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[Love so Life]


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[the last leg]


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[Karen Gillian/Doctor Who]


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[True Detective]


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[Yume Nikki]


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[Black Dagger Brotherhood Series]


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[Mass Effect]


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Comments

[sarillia]

I think "feminist" has come to have two separate meanings. You're talking about the meaning related to the feminist movement(s), where someone has to specifically align themselves with the movement in order to say that their work is feminist. But I think the term has come to have a more generic meaning where it's just a word for "anti-sexism". If you look at it this way then a work either perpetuates the status quo or it defies it and is therefore feminist in the minds of people who define the term that way.

[feotakahari]

Maybe another way to frame this would be in terms of war movies. On one level, you can look at a war movie and discuss how accurately it represents the things that happen during a war. On another level, you can discuss what the movie says about the war, and whether it supports or condemns it. I've heard it said that there are no neutral war movies, and to some extent, that's accurate--if you honestly represent what happens in a war, that's going to come off as anti-war to some degree. But it feels to me like it would be a stretch to describe a movie as anti-war just because it dispassionately portrays what happens in a war, when its purpose may be entirely different from praising or condemning war.

What you're saying is that if a work accurately portrays the fact that women are human beings with their own wants and desires, that's feminist. My argument with this is essentially semantic, but I think it's important as semantics go, because framing a work in a feminist light can obscure what it's really about (in Madoka's case, debt, obligation, and selflessness, which aren't framed in gendered terms here.)

[sarillia]

framing a work in a feminist light can obscure what it's really about (in Madoka's case, debt, obligation, and selflessness

Why can't you look at it both ways? Why does one obscure the other?

It's probably not relevant but I don't really see the series as feminist, but I'm not really understanding this argument against looking at it in those terms.

[feotakahari]

It would be great to talk about both, but that doesn't seem to be what most people do. I mentioned war stories before--when people talk about Ender's Game as an anti-war piece, they tend not to understand or care about what it says about moral relativism. I get frustrated to see more complicated ideas that takes more thought and effort to discuss constantly set aside in favor of messages that fit in a tweet or on a bumper sticker, so I tend to try to promote discussion of the more complicated ideas. I don't intend that to come at the expense of the simpler ideas, and I'm sorry if I came off that way.