[ SECRET POST #2649 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2649 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[AlternateHistory.com : Malê Rising]


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11. [SPOILERS for Superior Spider-Man]



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Comments

[feotakahari]

I tried that argument on a Christian once who used Paul to argue against gay marriage. He pretty much owned my ass.

(Before he got into Paul, I also tried that argument atheists are so fond of about how the prohibition against gay sex in Leviticus should be ignored because all the other prohibitions in Leviticus should be ignored. He started talking long and lovingly about the three kinds of rules in Leviticus, the different contexts for each of them, and how to tell which ones you can and can't ignore. First time I ever saw someone nerd out over doctrine the way folks nerd out over JRPGs.)

[sarillia]

Hmm, unsurprisingly, this person has a very different view of the covenants of the Old Testament than I do. I'd have trouble debating them too though. I know much more about the New Testament and even then I got my ass kicked by a(n ex-)friend based on that text after I came out to her and she decided the appropriate response was to tell me exactly why she thinks I'm a sinner and then give me a chance to use Biblical evidence to support why I'm not. I hadn't even had a chance to study.

[feotakahari]

Yikes. I'm sorry to hear about that.

If you're interested in someone who can respond to the anti-gay verses, Fred Clark has done a good job of handling them. Google

Fred Clark clobber verses

for more information than you ever wanted about the place and nature of anti-gay proscriptions in Scripture.

Personally, I think I found the response that mattered. I told the fellow I was arguing with that I'd read some of the stuff he'd written, and that he appeared to believe strongly in universal love and tolerance of difference. I told him that I couldn't see how that could fit together with his beliefs about gay people. He said that he didn't know why God would be against gay sex, but that he trusted that God was smarter than he was and knew things he didn't, and I knew there was no point in arguing further.

[sarillia]

Sounds interesting. Thanks. I like reading about different perspectives on the bible, even ones I disagree with, but I can't say I don't appreciate the ones that defend me more. Though sometimes even when I want to agree with a pro-gay argument it just doesn't hold up in my mind, so I'm curious to see what I think of these.

[ceebeegee]

My default argument is:

Christ's message was Love. Over and over He preached Love. "Thou shalt love the Lord they God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. This is the first and greatest commandment and the second is like unto it: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." He explicitly said that His message superseded the Old Testament; He explicitly commanded us to Love. He never ever said anything about homosexuality and He would've applauded two people who love each other, no matter their sex/gender. Love love love is the answer. The hardest, most diffiicult, revolutionary act there is.

[(Anonymous)]

All well and good, the problem is when you start conflating 'love' with 'romantic/sexual love'. Plenty of Christians think God applauds anyone loving anyone (men can love men! women can love men! women can love women!) but doesn't approve of every sexual relationship (like homosexual relationships or even adulterous relationships)

[diet_poison]

Thanks for this info. I just spent too much time going through some of it lol. It's a good resource!

[diet_poison]

Gee, I wonder why she is an ex-friend...

[sarillia]

I actually tried to make it work for a little while. She's still generally very friendly and fun to talk to even after the nasty shock of being expected to defend myself. But it was harder than I thought it would be. Then when I left school I just didn't try very hard to return her texts or anything and let things fade away.

[(Anonymous)]

It's because the people who are determined to find Biblical justifications for shitty behavior have had centuries to work out the "logic" behind why one passage of Scripture applies to them while others don't. It works out nicely for them since they get to hate gays but still enjoy shrimp!

It's all bullshit, in other words.

[feotakahari]

I want to disagree with this, but I don't think I can, because the guy I was arguing this with was black. One of the fastest ways to make him angry was to compare the "Gays are bad! The Bible said so!" crowd to the "Blacks should be slaves! The Bible said so!" crowd. (His argument was that the Bible doesn't REALLY say that slavery is okay, and if you think it does, you're reading it wrong. Conversely, the Bible REALLY condemns gays, and if you think it doesn't, you're reading it wrong. There are all sorts of ways to read it wrong!)

[diet_poison]

...especially because the Bible DOES very clearly, both implicitly and explicitly, condone and even command slavery. You can't use Paul and the OT to preach against homosexuality if you refuse to use the same cultural qualifiers for those lines that you use for the passages about slavery.

[al28894]

Just my two cents, but the one thing I learned about faith while growing up is that the kindest kid on the block can OWN you in religious discussions if you don't read up on said religious scriptures and teachings.