[ SECRET POST #2651 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2651 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

There are plenty of good reasons to want to avoid these kinds of discussions. It doesn't necessarily say anything about you.

I just don't know how to reconcile what people like you want with what other people want. I'm very much of the "the personal is political" mindset. I don't think you can draw a clear line between "political" and "non-political", so I have a hard time in spaces where we're not supposed to talk about "serious" things. Sometimes I feel like I'm not even allowed to mention my girlfriend in spaces like that because some people interpret that as flaunting the gay lifestyle and that's political. Other times I really want to talk about things like how important How to Train Your Dragon is to me because of how I relate to parts of it because of my disabilities, but some people would tell me that even when I'm being positive, I'm bringing the dreaded social justice into it and that's ruining their fun. I sympathize with them but I also still want to talk about these things, so again, for me it's a problem of trying to reconcile a lot of different preferences.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I don't think anyone has a problem with being positive about things. But there's a bunch of negativity out there, and that's... not why I'm in fandom. If I'm gushing about something I enjoy, and someone comes in and craps all over it, I'm not going to appreciate it. If you come in, agree with me that it's awesome, and add the perspective that it speaks to you personally because Reasons, that's fine. :)

Also, I share your love for How to Train Your Dragon.

[sarillia]

I've just come across too many people who respond to someone gushing over a book for the "wrong" reasons by sneering about how it sounds like something the SJWs on Tumblr would love, so I get a bit nervous about talking about this stuff even when I'm being positive. Doesn't stop me but I do hesitate sometimes.

[(Anonymous)]

there was fucking negativity in fandom before social justice supposedly became a thing, though. it's disingenuous, at best, to pretend those ~SJW cunts~ came in and pissed all over your shiny happy fandom.

[gabzillaz]

Yeah I feel people forget how negative LJ was.

[(Anonymous)]

Case in point, sf_drama. It quickly became SJW_CircleJerk with members even going so far as to notify mods of other communities that one of their members had done something "unPC" however long ago (even if they'd already apologized), and to ~be careful and keep an eye~ on that member!

[gabzillaz]

Ooooh sf_drama. Didn't Riley start there?

Nt to mention the non SJ negativity, like fail-fandomanon, the HP wank (BNF wars and msscribe anybody???), etc. I don't know why people have such huge rose colored glasses when it comes to LJ.

[(Anonymous)]

Because at least the wanks then were actually fandom-related, and the trolls didn't go far, far, out of their way to make the objects of their hatred miserable IRL by costing them their jobs for saying something stupid (or even for not saying anything at all, only something the SJWs deemed evil) off the company clock, or following them around everywhere they posted and (as pointed out above) "warning" others against them.

[gabzillaz]

Wat, msscribe alone hurt a lot of people. And that was just one troll. Drama in LJ was constant and it didn't end at fandom.

I know Tumblr/SJW are the current boogeyman of fandom, but this is getting ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, well, I avoided those people too.

[diet_poison]

This is an excellent point.

[(Anonymous)]

Come on! You know the difference between mentioning your girlfriend - and were you ever really given a hard time for that in fandom space? - and the sort of dogpile nonsense that you see doing the rounds on tumblr. Today on tumblr I learned that taking a language class or learning a craft, dance or martial art from a culture other than one's own is cultural appropriation - that's the sort of nonsense we're up against, not people mentioning their personal life. It might not be political correctness gone mad, but it's certainly identity politics gone mad.

[sarillia]

As long as we're talking differences, OP didn't say they avoid specious arguments that call everyone who disagrees with them racist. They said they don't like social justice opinions. There's a difference.

And I have indeed had that sort of trouble in fandom spaces that have a strict "no politics" rule. I think a lot of people underestimate how many really conservative people are in fandom and on the internet in general.

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I think a lot of people underestimate how many really conservative people are in fandom and on the internet in general.

I think you're very right about that. I will also say that at least some of us out here would not be considered 'really conservative' by the population at large, and might even vote consistently Democrat (or the local equivalent) and support many liberal causes, but still aren't as far to the left as much of fandom. We tend to get tarred with the same brush as actual conservatives if we express any dissent.

[(Anonymous)]

The SJWs share exactly the same ideologies and tactics as the conservatives. Liberals, they ain't!

[glo_unit]

This is a great way to describe how I often feel. Not only with the things you mentioned but at least the sites blogs I visit I see major anti-SJW attitudes, were saying something like "I wish there were more LGBT or racial minority characters characters in mainstream media" gets responded to by "WHY DO YOU HATE WHITE PEOPLE AND CISHETS?" Or how you can never ever get offended by anything or your ruining someone else's fun, and not just "ANYONE WHO LIKES THIS PIECE OF SHIT NEEDS TO DIE" offended but "I was a little offended by this and wish it was written differently" offended.