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⌈ Secret Post #2655 ⌋

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Face it -- no matter how much you love a character, if they have a good number of installments/TV episodes/whatever in the canon they come from, there's got to be a few moments in which they behave really abominably. Sometimes it's done intentionally and makes sense for the character and situation, sometimes it's just really shitty oblivious writing, sometimes it's totally OOC, but no matter the reason, it's canon and there's nothing you can do. Share what you think are your favorite characters' worst moments.

Remember -- this is ONLY for characters who you actually like!

Ben Linus murdering John Locke in LOST. (It SERVED NO PURPOSE) And from that moment Linus went from cunning manipulator to weasel man. That was both his turning point and his low point.

Spike's attempted rape of Buffy.

Buffy calling the potential slayer who committed suicide a weak idiot.

I have a hard time remembering all the OOC bullshit the characters in The West Wing pulled in seasons 5-7. However, I don't know if any of this really counts for this thread, because by then they all might as well have been completely different characters who I DID thoroughly dislike.

Holmes's deception in The Hound of the Baskervilles. No, not the other stuff from The Empty House or The Dying Detective. Those at least had good reasons. But "oh, you would have tried to come down to bring me food and blankets and stuff and given me away"? HOLMES, THE MAN WAS A COMBAT SURGEON. THEY DO FUCKING TRIAGE. MORON.

The Doctor ruining Harriet Jones's career.

Spock making that crack to Janice Rand at the end of the episode in which Kirk's evil side tried to rape her. Yay 1960s! /scarcasm

Harry laying into Ron and Hermione when he first arrives at Grimmauld Place. I actually love CAPSLOCK!Harry and he was one of the best parts of the whole series, but man was he a dick in that scene with his accusations that they were glad to be there without him having and laughing at him.

Three words: "What's a Starsky?"

Edited 2014-04-11 00:12 (UTC)

I don't think I was regularly watching Buffy at that point, but that sounds pretty in-character for her. Remember that episode with the murder-suicide ghosts, where she refused to forgive the murderer because she refused to forgive her own misdeeds? http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/I_Only_Have_Eyes_for_You

Come to think of it, Harry Potter got pretty ragey starting around book 5. It was like someone told the author that fifteen-year-old boys get angry and rebellious, and she took it to heart too much.

Re: Your favorite characters' lowest point

intrigueing - 2014-04-11 02:56 (UTC) - Expand

Vetinari in Unseen Academicals, Snuff, and Raising Steam. He was just so out-of-character the whole time, and said some things I'd rather forget about. As a matter of fact, I've already forgotten half of them. I know everyone was out-of-character in those books, but it grated on my nerves because Vetinari is the darling of my heart and ... ugh.

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I'll just go with Mat since I quoted him above...he's not my favorite from that series, but he's my favorite male character so he's still first in a category xD;

in the first few books he was really boring and also did something really stupid, careless, and juvenile (stealing an item from a pile of riches even though he was warned against it, classic greedy hero action) and was cursed for the next book and a half and treated everyone around him like shit/sort of became really evil for a while

Trying to think of anything Vimes has done I didn't like, or at least respect.

The "Giving what help he could" scene from night watch was pretty much the worst thing he's done (as far as I can recall), and I don't really have a problem with it, it was necessary.

Dragon Age 2, Anders. I don't think I need to elaborate.

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Katniss saying she should have drowned Buttercup, because it's the cat's fault Prim got attached enough to risk her life for it.

Really.

Kat telling Annie "sometimes you kinda make it hard to be your friend" in gunnerkrigg court :(

I love Kat and I love Annie and I totally understand why both of them are feeling the way they do but ugh, that one hurts :(

Ten and Harriet Jones. I was SO GLAD I happened to skip that episode and watched it at the end of the season because it might have actually made me hate him.

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philstar22 - 2014-04-11 01:16 (UTC) - Expand

Ichigo plotting to kill Tsukishima with Ginjo before the big reveal.

He's always about protecting people and doing the right thing (the only person he ever ended up killing so far was Ginjo and he explicitly said he did it to protect people) and has been empathetic toward all his other enemies, but there he was plotting murder because he was desperate and, essentially, hated the guy.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-11 07:47 (UTC) - Expand

When Micheletto killed his boyfriend and left Cesare.

Feeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

Snape. Nuff said.

I love him to pieces and I even believe he wasn't that terrible, but had to be since we only saw Harry's POV, but he was definitely a terrible teacher who, if Dumbledore had any sense, would have fired him.

Sesshoumaru the entire beginning of Inuyasha.

Lady Une when she tenderhearted the colonies the way she did, just to please Treize. Or when she slapped Noin before Noin finally got back at her.

Wolverine...he's had his moments, oh yeah. Though I think the worst for me ws back in Ultimate X-Men when he left Cyclops to die. That was low. and I'm no fan of Cyclops. i know that whole universe ended up a mess (despite that i liked the beginning of it), but that...yikes.

When Quark tried to sabotage Nog's chances of getting into Starfleet.

When Merlin mind wiped Arthur and made him a complacent idiot. (It was for a good purpose but it was a questionable tactic.)

When Morgan and Bess did that geolock thing to hold the area for future mining (that was a cool device) and killed one of the inhabitants (I forgot what they were called).

Ten's mindrape of Donna.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-11 06:21 (UTC) - Expand

Castiel in SPN 7x01. Season 6 had him doing some pretty bad stuff, but that episode was pretty much the writers challenging themselves to see just how many horrible things they could cram Cas doing to other people and having happen to him into forty minutes' time.

Sam choosing Ruby over Dean. (back when they still had some semi-consistent characterization)

It hasn't yet come.

I expect Thorin getting taken over by gold-sickness will be bad, and the Battle of Five Armies will be bad, for him and his nephews.

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dreemyweird - 2014-04-11 07:34 (UTC) - Expand

Zaal'Koris in ME2 and ME3 is not necessarily a poorly-written character, but he is an oddly written character. He gets mostly consistent characterization, but the way the narrative treats him varies wildly and it's pretty strange. Anyway... of course he's a huge ass through most of his role in ME2, and that's fine, but the part that really makes me sadface at him is the fact that he was apparently going to try and posthumously exile Tali if she'd died during the trial. After all, he was mostly just going aggressively after her father - she was collateral damage, and while he was clearly okay with that, he never seemed to have a problem with her personally and wouldn't have done what he did if it wasn't his best/only chance at attacking Rael. It just seemed overzealous even for him. Then again, she'd be too dead to care at that point - he may have just been trying to hurt Gerrel as much as possible.

Speaking of Gerrel, love the man to death, but him firing on the dreadnought while Tali was on board. :( but I don't mind that as much as Koris's thing, because he was so fantastically in-character and I loved the fact that the war had turned this basically likable, decent man into someone who was willing to kill our heroes for what he saw as the greater good. Still, it made me so angry at the time!

My favorite character gets himself thrown in jail (because he does something really stupid), blames the king, and then decides it'd be totally cool to participate in an assassination plot.

Throughout, I was like, "the fuck is wrong with you? Step outside of yourself and get some perspective!" And the thing is, I totally understand why he feels the way he does. I think that a lot of his feelings are perfectly legitimate. But he goes way too far with them, and for the life of him, he can't see past his own nose.

The good news is that he sort of realizes this, eventually. But in the interim it was like "dude. WTF."

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-11 12:55 (UTC) - Expand

He's not my favorite character, but I do typically like him:

Esposito spent about four months being an utter ass to Ryan because Ryan told the captain about a shitty, ill-planned, rogue mission Beckett and Esposito were going on, which ended with Esposito on suspension and Beckett resigning rather than be suspended. Never mind that Beckett would totally have been a grease stain on pavement if Ryan HADN'T done what he did, he *~betrayed~* them, OMG.

I consider franchises to be separate strings of different characters based on one template, so I don't have an issue with this. If a character is my favourite, then they never do anything shitty or OOC. If another version of the same character does - oh, well, that has nothing to do with the original.

Case in question: Holmes. At this point I have a looot of issues with both the Elementary and the Sherlock versions. And while BBC!Sherlock is consistently characterized as being emotionally obtuse, Elementary!Sherlock's relaionship with Moriarty? Is the shittiest thing I've ever seen a Holmes do. Seriously, even the creators of the Asylum's Sherlock Holmes managed to make Holmes a decent man. WTF is wrong with you, Elementary writers?

I liked Elementary so much and now it's fucked up so badly :/

Other than that, I'm not much of a franchise fan, more often than not I read/watch stand-alones. So my favourite characters do not get screwed over.

Maybe the only exception is Inspector Morse. The way Dexter handled The Remorseful Day is a tad dubious in itself, but the way the show handled it is plain cringeworthy. Apparently instead of protecting Strange Morse is now acting on his own behalf. I like the show and even the rest of the episode, but fuck this arc.

House trying to kill people with his car.
what. the. fuck.

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