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⌈ Secret Post #2661 ⌋

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[Injustice: Gods Among Us]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[William Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus]

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[Welcome to Night Vale]

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[Crown of Stars]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?]

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[LOST]

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[Riff-Raff, Rocky Horror Picture Show]

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[Captain America: The Winter Soldier]

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[Breaking Bad]

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[Problem Sleuth]

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[Doctor Who]

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Not referring to that particular scene but the show in general but I think GRRM understands that the book and the show are different canons, so when he's writing for the show he's writing the show canon, not the book canon.

No he never said that. He has even said that he prefers certain scenes in the show over the ones he had made in the books, like the Drogo/Dany scene.

What Dany/Drogo scene? Their wedding night?

If so, I'm side-eying anyone's preference for cut-to-black rape over cut-to-black consensual seduction.

He didn't say it's hotter or anything, just that it was more realistic.

They're both rape, but the book version was worse. I just can't get over the fact that Dany was thirteen iirc on their wedding night in the book. I know, I know the world pf tge series sucks, but damn.

How was the book version worse? It's the difference between straight-up rape (TV version) and rape-turning-into-dodgy-consent (book version). At best, it's splitting hairs.

Ayrt

The book version was worse for me because of Dany's age, so it edges out the tv version by just a little. It jistcreally skeevese out more. Also, admittedly I was mixing up their later sexual encounters in the book with their wedding in the book. It's been a while since I read the first book, my bad.

This is how I see it as well.

Eh, I don't really put that much weight on show vs book ages. The reason they're older in the show is because of acting experience, child labor laws, and - yes - sexual content. But it's sexual content as seen through modern eyes.

Might get flak for this, but GoT/ASoIAF is a medieval period piece so it makes sense that there's no 'teenager' label, just children and adults. Characters get engaged when they're 12/13 and get married shortly after. IDK, as long as it's just written, it doesn't bother me.

Um, the whole "medieval people would screw 13 year olds" thing is a huge inaccuracy...

Ayrt

Isn't that whole thing about medival times marrying young girls and screwing them an inaccuracy? Anyway, I think what bothers me most about their wedfing night in the books is how fans will use it as justification to brush of any criticisms about their relationship or how their relationship totally wasn't fucked up.

Apparently even the author called it 'too romantic'.

Obviously there are ranges by century, country, and even just individual marriages, but do you have links where it's pointed out that it's an inaccuracy?

Two that I found, both edu sites with book sources, point to young teenage marriages (1, 2), but I'm happy to accept evidence otherwise.

And I'm far from writing off the rest of their marriage. Book wedding night = show relationship > show wedding night > book relationship, IMHO.

I don't gave any links, sorry. I've heard about it being inaccurate but haven't had the time to thoroughly research it.

I don't mean to imply that you were writing off the rest of their relationship. I was referring to fans who do. Their relationship was much better in the show, that much we can agree on.

TBH, I haven't either. I grabbed those two links in about five minutes, so that's why I said if people do have better sources, feel free to link them.

I have a lot more knowledge about 18th/19th century stuff than medieval stuff. I know that people like Marie Antoinette, Catherine of Aragon, and Catherine the Great were married young (15, 15, and 16 respectively), and Juliet in Romeo and Juliet was only 13 (fiction, yes, but a product of the 16th century the masses weren't outraged by her youth), so I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that marriages in medieval times were around the same age or one or two years younger.

ETA: And yes, we can definitely agreed on that.

Edited 2014-04-17 01:03 (UTC)

One thing to keep in mind about medieval marriages, especially if thrones are involved, is that just because marrying is happening at age 12 doesn't mean screwing is, too.

I would have called the show version way worse but that might be because I kept forgetting about the age difference. In my mind she's vaguely 15 in both (which I know is not canon).

At any rate, she was underage in both, and in the book, she gave (probably coerced and dubious) consent and said "yes", whereas in the show she was crying and said "no", and to me it felt like they made it darker only for the sake of being darker /shrug

I think they added it for consistency. In the book after the wedding night Drogo is too rough and humping Dany while she's sobbing and thinking of suicide.

Yeah, this is true.

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