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⌈ Secret Post #2661 ⌋

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[Injustice: Gods Among Us]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[William Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus]

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[Welcome to Night Vale]

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[Crown of Stars]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?]

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[LOST]

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[Riff-Raff, Rocky Horror Picture Show]

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[Captain America: The Winter Soldier]

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[Breaking Bad]

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[Problem Sleuth]

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[Doctor Who]

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But Theon's castration was heavily implied in ADWD.

Theon is castrated, I think anon is saying that the two women arousing him was the thing GRRM didn't write.

Was it? I never got that impression in the books.

A lot of Theon's internalization of his torture is about him being "not a man" or "not a whole man", which clearly affects his psyche more than missing digits/teeth. Roose is pissed at Ramsay for that in particular, because it makes Theon less valuable as a hostage (what good is he as Balon's heir without genitalia?) that way.

And when Ramsay forces Theon on Jeyne, Theon doesn't understand at first is all, "um, how??" Whereupon Ramsay tells him to use his mouth.

I always interpreted the "not a real man" as him feeling literally subhuman after Ramsay's treatment.

Here(http://boiledleather.com/post/32750737415/ramsay-bolton-cut-theon-greyjoys-penis-off-a) is a fairly thorough collection of hints suggesting that he did have his penis cut off.

The thing about not being able to have sex with Jeyne combined with this bit:

“Lord Ramsay treats his captives honorably so long as they keep faith with him.” He has only taken toes and fingers and that other thing...”

Suggest pretty heavily that's what happened.

And that's the difference between the books and the show. The books imply the horrific stuff Ramsay does, the show feels the need to rub it in our faces. You can't just show Theon after the fact and put two and two together, you have to have two naked ladies molesting him before having Ramsay come out and castrate him.

I imagine that having pages and pages written from inside the characters' heads makes it easy to just imply things than having only 10 hours per season and about a million plotlines to get through.

You do realize that the show doesn't do POV, right?

You can still imply that Theon has been tortured and castrated just by showing him in such a state with missing fingers.

But we'd much rather see it. That's what the television medium is for!

Reading this thread after reading the Titus Andronicus thread is hilarious.
You guys are talking about the same darned thing, but the tone of the debate is really different.

(I wonder how much of this is a gender thing, and how much is Early Modern plays vs. recent tv)

This reminds me of dudebros going WAH WAH WHY DO THEY SHOVE THE GAY DOWN OUR THROATS?? IN THE BOOK IT WAS SUBTLE!

Maybe because it's kind of hard to, say, see Renly and Loras banging from Cat's POV?

Oh fuck off. If anything the LACK of any meaningful gay scene in comparison to all the heterosexual sex scenes is more of an indication of the 'male gaze' that the show is going for.

Yeah, unlike all those gay sex scenes in the books.

Oh wait.

Yes, because they're non POV characters. The show doesn't have that excuse.

I'd say the difference is that Renly and Loras provide actual plot development as opposed to generic prostitutes.

tbh I always thought the books were more graphic when it comes to Theon's torture. Yes, the castration was never explicitly mentioned. OTOH, we have lots of detail about how much pain Theon is in from having his fingers flayed and how they're then rotting off, how he can't eat because Ramsay pulled is teeth etc etc. We also get a lot more details about Theon's psychological breakdown.

So yeah, overall, I found the book scenes to be way more graphic and disturbing than anything they've shown in the series.

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