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⌈ Secret Post #2662 ⌋

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Notes:

Sorry about the lateness, work's been keeping me late recently.

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Comments

[cushlamochree]

It's not a step down in terms of cultural cachet - The Late Show, and the late night talk show in general, have pretty decent cultural legacies. And it doesn't have to be a step down in terms of content either. Yeah, most late night talk shows these days are boring and dull and pre-staged, uninteresting, boring interviews with boring celebrities, but they don't have to be, and I feel like if anyone has a chance at making an interesting late night talk show with interesting and unpredictable and insightful interviews, Colbert does.

Plus, the Colbert joke character was honestly getting pretty threadbare by this point.

[(Anonymous)]

Many of us don't care about celebrity interviews, and even if we do, we can get them elsewhere. I don't even watch late night talk shows very often and even I can think of four other guys off the top of my head who run a show I could see myself watching on an evening. TLS has prestige and is of course going to be amazing for his career, but TCR is unique, and him stepping away from something one-of-a-kind to do something a dozen other people already do more or less competently is disappointing for me as a viewer.

[cushlamochree]

I don't intrinsically care about celebrity interviews either, but I do like interesting interviews in general. And I think Colbert has the capability to do more interesting interviews than anyone else who's doing celebrity interviews out there, most of whom I think are just completely uninteresting. And to do things with a much wider sphere of reference than just celebrity interviews. Like a somewhat less silly more incisive Craig Ferguson I guess. Maybe I just want something like the old Dick Cavett show. And I don't think there is anything that's really like that.

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt - I'm definitely looking forward to Colbert's interviews as himself. I sometimes felt the TCR persona got in the way in that segment when I watched it, like he sometimes sacrificed or talked around an interesting vein of conversation because "Stephen Colbert" wouldn't really notice or understand it.

[(Anonymous)]

"Plus, the Colbert joke character was honestly getting pretty threadbare by this point."

to be fair, I'm not a regular viewer, but I'm not sure I agree? There's no limit to material, and the Colbert character always reflects ignorant and/or conservative culture, and I don't think making statements in reaction to those real events and opinions can ever be old.

[cushlamochree]

It's definitely still relevant and dealing with fresh material. But there's a limit to how you can respond to that material, and I think Colbert's pushing up against that limit. He's been pointing out the ridiculousness of the same kind of stuff for so long, and the basic joke has been the same the whole way through.

But clearly I'm in an absolute minority here, so take all that with a grain of salt.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you. And honestly, I don't really care for the character much anymore myself. The whole schtick was funny for a couple years, but after dealing with the current political climate and conservative politicians repeatedly showing off their stupidity, I don't need Colbert's brand of satire to know how fucked up things are in politics.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you can really compare the two. Even a really exciting show about interviewing celebrities isn't going to touch the level of satire achieved with the Colbert Report and his character in particular. There are already lots of shows where famous and semi-famous get to pimp their latest movie, but dissecting politics? That was actually useful as well as entertaining.

[cushlamochree]

If it does end up just being "pimp your latest movie and tell a couple of bits pre-planned before you came on", then I'll be as disappointed as you. I think Colbert can do something more unpredictable and unique than that, and I hope that he will.

If he does, is that ultimately as valuable as critiquing politics? Probably not, but it's not nothing, either. And we'll still have the Daily Show and all that for the political criticism.

[(Anonymous)]

He might, but I won't hold my breath. For something far beyond the typical talk show, you'll need the cooperation of the guests, most of whom are only there because they have a project and they're contractually obligated to promote it. The interviews on the Colbert Report were decent, but then that was one guest per show. It's unlikely a late night talk show will allow enough time for an in-depth interview, and Colbert will likely not have the freedom to ask the really good questions because his audience will have shifted from a more niche, left-leaning crowd closer to middle of the road Americans.

"If he does, is that ultimately as valuable as critiquing politics? Probably not, but it's not nothing, either."

No, it's not nothing. It's something that's not as good as The Colbert Report, which is what most people are saying.

[(Anonymous)]

Disagree: it is a step down. If only because only OLD people watch The Late Show. The Colbert Report's appeal is universal and I happen to disagree with your opinion regarding the Colbert fake persona. And I've been watching TCR since day one, so...

Frankly, who cares about late night shows nowadays apart from retirees?

Whereas TCR is one of the very few really interesting shows, and cannot be replaced so easily. The problem is that just anyone could have replaced whathisname, whereas no one can replace Stephen Colbert in TCR.

So your take is sort of irrelevant? Not exactly wrong: I agree that The Late Show seems to be more respected in the media industry, probably because it's been around forever, but not by the public at large and not at all what the OP was talking about...

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I'm sure that CBS hopes giving Colbert the job will bring younger viewers to the Late Show, but chances are he'll still have to meet its current audience halfway. That's a much older demographic not known for loving edgy humor or satire.