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⌈ Secret Post #2664 ⌋

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I agree.

Besides the general idea of... no ..., Disney still had a hand in it. It may not have the logo big as day, but they're not going to go with that.

Edited 2014-04-19 20:01 (UTC)

Most fans like the Death of the Author, though. But I agree that in this case it goes against the narrative as well as against the authorial intent.

+1 to both parts.

Omg, I had no idea this theory was a thing. And you are right, OP. It contradicts her characterization and just about everything we see of their relationship.

Plus, I think she's one of the most emotionally healthy characters in the entire film. I can't see her having been a sex slave, much less having been created for the purpose.

I hadn't even heard this interpretation before. I don't really see it now.

I'm pretty sure that was what he was intending, though. "We'll have conversations worth having!" and that scene at the end with his new creation. Just came off like he wanted a girlfriend.

Maybe he just realized what he needed wasn't a rebellious not-actually-dutiful daughter but a wife, and so made himself one. It doesn't have to mean that's what he intended for Sally.

No, I'm pretty sure Sally was meant to be a companion and not a daughter. She's a grown woman, after all.

If he'd needed a caretaker, why would he have made her a child? Of course she's an adult. There are no adult daughters?

He doesn't need a caretaker, though? He gets around fine as is.

Uh, we actually saw her walking up stairs to bring him (poisoned) food. He's wheelchair-bound, so this can be interpreted as assisting him domestically. (I mean, if she'd been created to be his wife she would have still done that, but the point is that he did want her to perform caretaking duties, and so would have made her an adult regardless.)

This is going to go in circles, but there really is nothing in the film that suggests he sees her as a daughter. Feel free to see it anyway you like, but the other side is just as valid.

The argument on the daughter side, I believe, goes:

- He's overprotective of her and believes in sheltering her from the world to the point of being smothering. This is reminiscent of overbearing parents.
- She constantly opposes his wishes and "sneaks out", behaviors typical of a rebellious daughter in children's stories.
- Their apparent age gap points toward such a dynamic being intended by the creators.
- He emphasizes the fact that he created her with his own hands. It is common for people to refer to their creations as their "children".
- All the stuff the OP wrote in their secret. Plus...
- Mad Scientist & Daughter is a fairly established and prominent trope in fiction.

Argument against sex slave theory, in general:

- No apparent sign of such abuse to speak of. Sally is the most well-adjusted person in the film.
- When Finkelstein finally set out to make a wife, he created a female version of himself (half his brain, same age). This would indicate that this is what he is attracted to in a partner, an equal, not the power imbalance he had in his relationship with Sally.

What's the evidence that for the sex slave theory, exactly, and how is it equally valid? The fact that Sally was created as an adult? I provided a non-sexual reason why that could be above.

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Or he wanted someone who thought more like him, given that Sally kept poisoning him.

IA. A lot of fans seem unable to see a relationship with any degree of care/warmth/affection as anything BUT sexual.

It's a pity, but it's not my problem. Or yours.

Just realized I had kind of assumed he was a father figure to her this whole time. If that helps at all, OP.

They are a classic Mad Scientist and Beautiful Daughter archetype. I think people just want to be ~edgy~.

Seconded. (I don't know about people's motivation, really, but the characters sure do look a lot like the archetype in question).

Whoa. 3edgy5me.

Yeah she wasn't his sex slave. I don't know what he intended her to be when he created her. But she definitely didn't turn out to be who he wanted her to be. She was too independent.

Eww I could have gone my whole life without being aware of this sex slave theory *shudders*

hahaa yeahhhhhh that theory is....reaching

That theory belongs with all the "in a coma" crap, yeah. The movie's plain enough about how things function in that relationship that I side-eye the hell out of anyone who needs to add in sex slavery. Keep it to the kink meme, folks.

People actually got that out of their relationship? That's... pretty disturbing, to be honest. And gross. It was clearly a father-daughter relationship.

On a related note, I'm getting tired of the whole "all Disney movies are secretly super dark/twisted" trend. It's not surprising, but it's annoying. If you're looking for darkness, you're going to find something that could be interpreted that way, but the odds that the creators intended it are extremely low.

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