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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-04-19 03:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2664 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2664 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-04-19 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure that was what he was intending, though. "We'll have conversations worth having!" and that scene at the end with his new creation. Just came off like he wanted a girlfriend.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-19 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe he just realized what he needed wasn't a rebellious not-actually-dutiful daughter but a wife, and so made himself one. It doesn't have to mean that's what he intended for Sally.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-19 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I'm pretty sure Sally was meant to be a companion and not a daughter. She's a grown woman, after all.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-19 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
If he'd needed a caretaker, why would he have made her a child? Of course she's an adult. There are no adult daughters?

(Anonymous) 2014-04-19 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
He doesn't need a caretaker, though? He gets around fine as is.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-19 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Uh, we actually saw her walking up stairs to bring him (poisoned) food. He's wheelchair-bound, so this can be interpreted as assisting him domestically. (I mean, if she'd been created to be his wife she would have still done that, but the point is that he did want her to perform caretaking duties, and so would have made her an adult regardless.)

(Anonymous) 2014-04-19 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
This is going to go in circles, but there really is nothing in the film that suggests he sees her as a daughter. Feel free to see it anyway you like, but the other side is just as valid.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-19 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
The argument on the daughter side, I believe, goes:

- He's overprotective of her and believes in sheltering her from the world to the point of being smothering. This is reminiscent of overbearing parents.
- She constantly opposes his wishes and "sneaks out", behaviors typical of a rebellious daughter in children's stories.
- Their apparent age gap points toward such a dynamic being intended by the creators.
- He emphasizes the fact that he created her with his own hands. It is common for people to refer to their creations as their "children".
- All the stuff the OP wrote in their secret. Plus...
- Mad Scientist & Daughter is a fairly established and prominent trope in fiction.

Argument against sex slave theory, in general:

- No apparent sign of such abuse to speak of. Sally is the most well-adjusted person in the film.
- When Finkelstein finally set out to make a wife, he created a female version of himself (half his brain, same age). This would indicate that this is what he is attracted to in a partner, an equal, not the power imbalance he had in his relationship with Sally.

What's the evidence that for the sex slave theory, exactly, and how is it equally valid? The fact that Sally was created as an adult? I provided a non-sexual reason why that could be above.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-20 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
Sex slave=/=saying she was created to be his companion. Also, lets go over those points.

*"Overprotective" She's supposed to be his companion, being outside all the time is not serving her purpose. He wants her confined to his lab. That is not 'overprotective behavior'

*Sneaking out"-Uh, she doesn't have any interest in being his forever partner. She's not 'sneaking out', she's escaping and being brought back.

*Referring to her as his child* Not once during the entire movie does he ever call her his child. In fact at the end where she is replaced by the obvious love interest woman, Jack goes to find Sally. If she was his *daughter* she wouldn't need to be replaced. See? This is where that argument falls apart.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-20 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
Also, you don't replace your daughter with a girlfriend. Jack immediately goes and confesses his love after he sees the DR has a new woman. You also don't create a 'daughter' and then complain when 'they don't have anything in common'.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-20 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
You're a thousand percent right.

(Anonymous) 2014-04-20 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
Inorite, I know I always replace my children with a woman I call my 'sweet precious jewel'

(Anonymous) 2014-04-19 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Or he wanted someone who thought more like him, given that Sally kept poisoning him.