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⌈ Secret Post #2669 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This that were "meh" about Frozen:
-Haven't we seen the "manage your powers by denying them and keeping them under wraps and isolating yourself" misperception done way too many times? We were eight minutes into the movie and moaning, "Charles Xavier, where are you when we need you."
-Hans didn't show one iota of his hand until the Big Reveal, and then he was all EEEEVIL. We couldn't have had him simply trying to make an advantageous marriage by sucking up to royalty without being all MURRRDERRRR about it?
-A few lyrics are pretty cliche, half the songs are kinda mediocre.

Things that were so good about Frozen they make me forgive the other things:
-Story about SISTERLY LOVE BEING MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN ROMANTIC LOVE. Wow. I'm able to stop my list right there.

[elaminator]

I pretty much agree with this. I love "Let it Go" but other than that the songs didn't do much for me. I don't even remember most of them and haven't bothered listening to the soundtrack again. The rest of the film was darn entertaining though (if, yea, cliche), and I loved the sisterly relationship being the thing that saved the day.

[(Anonymous)]

I've found that the soundtrack has been growing on me, even though I wasn't impressed by anything but Let It Go and Frozen Heart while watching the movie. But I'll freely admit that most of the reason I've warmed up to Do You Wanna Build A Snowman is because it is ripe for filking.

[elaminator]

I like Do You Wanna Build A Snowman because of all the crossover fanart that's come from it. Now that you've reminded me of it, it IS kind of catchy, but...still not something I would listen to over and over again.

However, if I did listen to the soundtrack a few more times it would probably grow on me too. That tends to happen with me and music.

[(Anonymous)]

(same anon)

I came out of the movie only liking Let It Go (like whoa though) and the Snowman Song. With repeated watching of Frozen the music did grow on me, but that's true of most musical scores for me and doesn't mean the songs are necessarily good. (I didn't hear a single song in Tangled, for example, that I liked until I watched it a few times, and now I find myself singing and humming a lot of them, but that's also true of some really really bad movie musicals that I've experienced too.)

[elaminator]

Yea, I feel like most songs become more appealing if you listen to them long enough. It rarely matters how 'bad' they are, at a certain point you start to learn the lyrics and might even find yourself singing along even if you don't particularly love them.

[caerbannog]

As someone who watched this with her sister - my list stops there too! My little sister loved it, everytime something sisterly happened (even the arguments) she'd pause to relate a tale about when WE did something similar.

So yeah, I was over the moon to have another sister/family film for my little sister. Princesses and it being surprisingly enjoyable was a bonus.

[(Anonymous)]

-Hans didn't show one iota of his hand until the Big Reveal, and then he was all EEEEVIL.

Um, yeah, he did, the most telling being when he redirected that slingshot from Elsa... to the chandelier right above her. It made it look like he was trying to save her while actually giving him a pretty good chance of killing her.

[illiadandoddity]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: It was too subtle. His glance up at the chandelier is so fast - it is literally a "blink and you'll miss it" moment, and that's really the only hint you get before the reveal. I saw the movie twice, and I didn't even see the glance up until the gifsets came out.

I've heard people argue that it makes him a realistic depiction of a sociopath, but from a storytelling standpoint it just wasn't a well-handled twist.

[(Anonymous)]

(same anon as at top of subthread)

IMHO it's not a movie that you watch again and say, "Oh, look, there are all the hints that he's a bad guy." I don't see any hints at all. You can look at his actions and say, if you know his motivations are to look like a good guy while he's a bad guy within, there's nothing to contradict that, yes, but I still say there are no hints. And I think a movie with this structure would have been better with something less subtle than "I'm the thirteenth son" to hint at his motives.

[illiadandoddity]

Even something as small as changing his expression when he's watching Anna walk away after he fell in the water would do it. Hell, it doesn't even have to be a sinister expression, even a thoughtful one would have done the trick. If there was just a hint that there were wheels turning in his head, that would have been good. But absolutely no one, not even the horse, is looking at him, and his expression still seems to be along the lines of "She was cute." Why should he be keeping the act up with no audience?

I don't mind him being the villain, but the foreshadowing on it was so badly done it really feels more like the writers changed it at the last minute to make for a more dramatic climax.

[(Anonymous)]

Given that Elsa was the villain until they wrote Let It Go and realized, "Oh, she...hasn't actually done anything wrong, has she?", I'm guessing that that's the case. This is a movie that really didn't seem to know what it was trying to do at any given moment.

[neurotic]

This is what I think about the movie. I watch it and I just feel like this is Part I of a two part movie... which I wouldn't mind at all. But I came out of the entire movie thinking it was pretty boring, especially compared to the past Disney movies.

I felt like Frozen played to a younger audience, rather than an everyone audience. I also can't stand that useless snowman, or the ridiculous snap judgements with no thought behind them.

When they got to the Palace of Ice, and that guy is just freaking out because ice is his life, I thought he was going to be Elsa's love interest. I had no idea that Hans was the bad guy... and while I like a big twist, it felt more like 'Uh... uh.... shoot, we need a villain! Make him the villain, that works.'

Overall I was incredibly disappointed, and have thrown all my weight and support against Dreamworks now. The Croods? HTTYD? RotG? If I want a good CGI film with a great story around it, that doesn't depend on music to carry it's scenes? I'm always going to turn to Dreamworks.

[(Anonymous)]

I never caught the chandelier thing and I've seen this movie... too many times. I really don't think Hans's reveal was too subtle, at least not to the target audience. My four year old daughter went into the movie knowing nothing except the Let It Go song and the trailer with Olaf and Sven. She still turned to me after Hans's first appearance and asked if he was the bad guy of the story. That's AFTER the decoy villian and before Kristoff shows up, so it was a weird assumption from my point of view. When the big reveal came, the teenagers behind us gasped in shock and she was pleased with her deductive skills.

[(Anonymous)]

Charles Xavier, huh? You might enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ThvBNZdGcQ

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I have to disagree: I have sisters (whom I love) and I really do not see how Frozen is about sisterly love being more important than romantic love or sisterly love even being in the picture at all.

They are only sisters genetically speaking: they have not seen each other since they were very little kids and hardly know each other. They have not grown up together since Elsa was shut away like a prisoner and made to feel afraid and guilty since she was very young so that Anna hardly knows anything about her - their parents are the definition of people who should not be allowed to have children.

When I saw Frozen I was actually very irritated by that aspect of it, and on top of that I agree with the OP except that the music also left me cold. :(