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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-05-12 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #3782 ]

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[Lord of the Rings, Glorfindel]




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[personal profile] fscom 2017-05-12 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
[Lord of the Rings, Glorfindel]

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
This makes me sad. What bums me out the most about the movies is how almost all the new art for anything Tolkien goes immediately to the movies, and the visuals are so wrong for the books. I wouldn't be so salty about the movies if they were encroaching so heavily on book-fandom.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
the visuals are so wrong for the books

1000000% this

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
Oh hell yes. It was nearly ten years before I could re-read the books without getting movie visuals intruding on my mental pictures, and they still do if I'm not careful.

The picture you've posted, OP, is beautiful and I have no problem seeing Glorfindel like that in my head.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Just curious, how would you change/improve the visuals, if you were able to do that?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Casting is a big one. I'd have a Frodo who looked like a retiree, elves who look like elves, an older Thorin, and so on. I'd also change up the looks. The Hobbits shouldn't be so thin, the dwarves should have actual beards, the Numenorean-based peoples (Dunedain and Gondor) should be taller than the Rohirrim, etc.

The landscape was all wrong too. It should look lived in and like Europe. There should be more ruins and more people. This part of Middle-earth has had people living in it for thousands of years, with wars and trade and empires, and all the stuff that comes from those things. The lonely mountain should've been on a plain and not near rocky cliffs like you see with the Laketown people. Rohan looked volcanic.

Some of the locations were really bad too. Gondor should look more Egyptian. Bree should've been a lot bigger. Elrond's house should've been an actual house. And so on.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
"elves who look like elves"

Okay, how would you manage THAT? Hire actual elves?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
There are definitely people who look more elf-like. Do you really think Celeborn looked like an elf? Or Elrond with his receding hairline looked like an elf? I have seen actors who I think look similar to how I see elves. The ones in the movie were not that.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that's true. The actors playing Celeborn and Elrond were far too old to be playing anything that appears young forever.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
What actors look most elf-like to you?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
" Frodo who looked like a retiree"

What? Frodo is not that old yet in the books.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
He retires in the book. That's the whole pretense for him leaving his home. So, he should look like a retiree.
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[personal profile] deird1 2017-05-13 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
He's only been of age for about 13 years...

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Er... do you mean Bilbo? Frodo doesn't retire in LOTR. He's just come of age.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
He doesn't even have anything to retire from, he's a country squire living on settled wealth in a totally pre-industrial idyllic pastoral society

The whole concept of retirement is totally alien to the shire

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
nayrt but LOL, this is a good point. I look at the life a typical hobbit leads and think fuck, THAT is what I want to retire to...

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Not to mention that hobbits don't age the same way that humans do, and that possession of the One Ring slows aging down to an idiot halt.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
man I feel you so hard on Bree - that was the thing that made me walk out of Fellowship. Bree should have been a comfy, homey place with Big People and Hobbits living together in harmony, not a nightmare hellscape with troll-like humans lurking in the shadows.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Absolutely. But... wasn't the whole nightmarish hellscape thing a rather obvious POV from the hobbits, who were by then frightened by what they'd seen and been through and not necessarily reliable narrators?

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
The landscape was all wrong too. It should look lived in and like Europe. There should be more ruins and more people.

This is the one that bothers me the most.

So much of the landscape in the movies look like places where it would be impossible to imagine any people living. Even the places that aren't supposed to be wilderness! It's totally inhuman!

(Anonymous) 2017-05-12 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
That's some really pretty fanart!
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[personal profile] cloudtrader 2017-05-13 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Glorfindel is my favorite character from the books. But I'm glad Arwen was in the movies, Glordindel was not necessary at all and I kinda think that Arwen was.

(Anonymous) 2017-05-13 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
I... do and don't agree. Glorfindel is a favourite of mine, and I would LOVE to see him in any adaptation (musical with it's brunette, female Glorfindel doesn't count). But I understand why he's been cut and replaced so much - he's introduced as a big deal that quickly becomes unimportant to the story.

And Flight to the Ford is my favourite Arwen scene, namely because it's the one scene where she's not acting as the designated love interest, and it makes me curious about what a warrior!Arwen would be like (...not at Helm's Deep, though, that was a horrible shitshow of "hey we got two women in the same location let's pit them against each other AND have them competing for Aragorn AND THEN ARWEN CAN KILL THE WITCHKING"). But it doesn't really make sense for them to introduce her as badass, capable woman and then... make her spend a movie crying over Aragorn and a film dying because Aragorn needs to be motivated to help save the world from Sauron, apparently.
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[personal profile] moetushie 2017-05-13 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, I actually loved Glorfindel's introduction in the books, but I don't mind him being swapped out by Arwen in the movies. It introduces us to her sooner, builds some emotional bonds and makes perfect sense. It's one of the few changes from the book to the movies that actually does.
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[personal profile] type_wild 2017-05-13 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Just gotta chime in with the Glorfindel love. Haven't got around to reading Silmarillion yet, but I've read Fellowship maybe six or seven times, and for some reason I absolutely love That One Elf With Shiny Horse who appears in two scenes.