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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-08-04 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #3866 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3866 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.



[Black Panther movie]


[Steve Whitmire, former voice and puppeteer for Kermit the Frog]


[Stranger Things]






[linked due to OP warning for sexual activity; Marilyn Manson's music video for "Heart-Shaped Glasses (When the Heart Guides the Hand)"]


[linked due to OP warning for nudity, non con/dub con; Melitta/Gannicus in Spartacus: Gods of the Arena, Ep. 2 "Missio"]


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(Anonymous) 2017-08-04 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I prescribe to YKINMK but I also judge people who are into extreme underage especially of the noncon variety.

But I don't harass people about it. YKINMK doesn't mean you think all kinks are great, it just means you don't stop people from reading or writing that kink or holler at them about it.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-04 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Seconding all of this.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-04 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm one of the people who annoys you. I'm fine with all kinks except pedophilia. Because I've seen fictional works that appear to be about a young person having a relationship with an adult being used to groom children/teens to show that sexual relations with older people are completely normal. If the kink were only shared between adults (or even between teens, with them wanting to put self-insert into a relationship with someone older), I'd not judge it, but as a teacher, I can't condone it, because it has the potential to harm vulnerable people. And I don't care that my stance annoys you, tbh.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-04 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Please tell me it was Cardcaptor Sakura

(Anonymous) 2017-08-04 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
As long as you're not one of the morons who think pedophilia is realtionships between young adults or adults with an age gap...

(Anonymous) 2017-08-04 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope! I have no issue with age gaps or with stories about relationships between YAs. Or even stories in which a child character is aged up so they can have a relationship with someone who is much older than they are.

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-04 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like the same argument could be applied to abuse and rape=love, and to a lesser extent h/c where self-harm and suicide are glorified, which has the potential to harm vulnerable people too.

Which is, I think, what OP is arguing? Not that pedophilia isn't bad, but why not include the others if that's the reasoning?

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my fucking god, watching an anime doesn't mean kids are immediately about to go out and hop on their teacher's dicks tbh

(Anonymous) 2017-08-04 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, some of the other things aren't 'kinks' so much as disgusting? Like the incest or pedophilia or slavery 'kinks' are all garbage and people deserve to rightfully feel shame about them TBQH

(Anonymous) 2017-08-04 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Question re slavery kinks- is there a difference between a fantasy slavery scenario and like taking place in actual American slavery?

Just curious.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-04 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't agree that slavery kinks are garbage.

Using actually-existing slavery as material for a kink is garbage, but elaborate sexual fantasies are not garbage IMO.

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed and I don't even care about shipping or fandom smut. Like yeah, fiction influences reality, but adults have the experience to be accountable for their actions and should be able to be know when their actions are directly harming other people (posting properly warned for and easily avoidable things online doesn't count). Additionally, what people want out of fiction is not necessarily what they want in real life. I don't get what's so hard to understand about that.

I find the actual harassment towards real people much more concerning. Like if you were actually cared, you'd go after the actual rapists, child abusers, corpse fuckers, etc.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
Like if you were actually cared, you'd go after the actual rapists, child abusers, corpse fuckers, etc.

This thing always confuses me

Like... who are the actual rapists and child abusers that fandom is tolerating

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed so much with that last sentence. The problem is fandom is crawling with slacktivist. They rather bitch and moan about treatment of fictional characters and try to harass shippers who usually are just teenagers or college students that use fandom as a place to chill and have fun.

Like... there are so many legit scummy people that hurt REAL people and they use all their energy to complain about what people do with fictional characters from the safety of their keyboard.

It reminds me of those overly religious soccer moms who think video games and Harry Potter makes their kids satanists.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
It's called squick. People tend to have them.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Well not exactly. Squick is things that gross you out. Other people liking something that grosses you out can be okay. Calling something wrong and bad and worse than every other kink is beyond squick.

People tend to have squicks but that's not what the secret's about.

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(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
I think the most useful interpretation of YKINMK is "be careful not to confuse your squick for a moral objection".

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
The way I see it, you don't have to like every kink, you don't have to even like the people who have those kinks. Just don't go out of your way to harass or bully or harm people with those kinks.

Lets say I think Doctor Who fans are really annoying. I can think they're annoying! I can think they're kind of dumb for liking the show. But when I start harassing real people over something fictional that doesn't hurt anyone I'm the one who's escalated this and I'm the one who's wrong. Them liking the show is not on the same level as me bullying them for it.

I think that's the heart of YKINMK, recognizing the difference between reality and fiction and recognizing that what you do in reality to real humans is not the same as someone's fiction, no matter how distasteful.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
There are some kinks that disgust me to my very core, but I really don't try to get into others face about it. I check myself and just steer clear of things. I'd never create a shaming blog or invade their fandom spaces.

I think it's okay to be disgusted and complain about it in your own space but I think it's pretty scummy to try and dictate what others do as far as fandom is concerned. I think it's pretty scummy for strangers to try and control other people over the internet in general.

I'm not sure I agree with you.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
I believe in 'your kink is not my kink and that's okay'. Even the ones that are repugnant to me. I may judge someone for having them, though, even if I believe they should absolutely be allowed to have with without being harassed. But I do have an opinion on the repugnance and I am also allowed to share it and others are too, as long it doesn't become abuse towards a person who has the kink.

But, like freedom of speech has limits (no yelling 'Fire!' in a crowded space, no incitement to violence, etc.), maybe people have their own limits.

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
this is why I'm upfront about being judgmental, some of y'all have some nasty kinks and I'm not gonna keep myself from laughing at people who wear diapers or want to be pissed on tbh!

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
Lol! Reading this thread, it's become very clear to me that I vastly prefer the judgmental people to the people who think YKINMK is the appropriate response to even the worst, most fucked up things.

So basically, me too, anon. :)

Although diapers and watersports only inspire a mild, amused kind of judgement in me. And I'm totally fine with the fact that I have kinks that would inspire the same kind of judgement in others. It's the "rape is hot, especially when it's of a minor!"" crowd that make me go, "What is wrong with you?"

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 07:02 am (UTC)(link)
That's because people completely misunderstand the idea of YKINMK and assume it means "Your Kink Doesn't Make Me Feel Anything, Good Or Bad". The actual idea of YKINMK is "I Don't Like This, But I Will Keep My Feelings To Myself".

(Anonymous) 2017-08-05 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this annoys me too. It's like the people who tell you to ship whatever you want, except for that one ship because it's bad.