[ SECRET POST #2673 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2673 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[mekkio]

As a woman, I hate, hate, freakin' LOATHE that belief that you need a pair of ovaries in order to write a decent female character.

It's that backward belief that has led many male authors from not wanting to write female characters. Never mind the fact that there are many women authors who can't write decent female characters to save their lives. (Can Gillian Flynn write a female character that isn't a shallow shrew, a self declared woman hater and/or a psychopath? Can Stephanie Meyer write a woman character that isn't paper thin and one dimensional?)

A good writer should be able to breathe life into any character they write, whether or not they share the same sex as their fictional creation.

Now would it be nice to have more women on a writing staff on any given show? Of course. BUT only if they can write. In the end, talent should win over sex.

[(Anonymous)]

+1,000,000

[(Anonymous)]

You are severely and completely missing the point here, friend.

[fauxkaren]

In the end, talent should win over sex.

But that's not the world we live in, so we're stuck with a bunch of mediocre male writers.

[lex_antonia]

As a woman, I hate, hate, freakin' LOATHE that belief that you need a pair of ovaries in order to write a decent female character.

Which was stated in this way by ... precisely nobody. The New Who has fewer women writers than Star Trek had in the goddamn sixties. Pointing this out, and pointing out that Steven Moffat's writing has a lot of issues does not mean that 'you need a pair of ovaries' to write women.

[(Anonymous)]

Steven Moffat is a misgynistic, racist, homophobic, transphobic pig who needs his dick cut off and fed to him before being decapitated and have his head on a pike Babylon 5 style.

[diet_poison]

what.

[(Anonymous)]

woah there

moffat is a piece of shit but you gotta calm down just a little he didn't run over your dog

[lex_antonia]

Do you genuinely think ironic hyperbole passes for an intelligent comment?

[mekkio]

You forgot "bad writer." Most people wouldn't over look that key element.

[sarillia]

Am I the only one who thinks this is one of the people who complains about Moffat hate making fun of the people who complain about him?

[brandiweed.livejournal.com]

Oh, don't hold back. Tell us what you REALLY think.

[a_potato]

The lack of female writers on New!Who's staff is definitely problematic. Moffat's writing is also often problematic. The secret, however, doesn't appear to be tackling either of those issues. It seems to be focused on a link between male staff and the quality of female characters.

[making_excuses]

I get where you are coming from, but the fact that any workplace manages to not hire both genders are just fucking moronic and should not be the case.

The thought that gender does not matter just enforces the fact that women can't get some jobs because men can do them just as well and vice versa.

[(Anonymous)]

This. You have more than 3-4 writers and none of them are female? It looks less like "that's just how it went" and more "are you actively trying to avoid hiring a female writer".

[diet_poison]

In principle I agree, but I also understand where OP is coming from with the track record DW has with ladies and the prominent male writers having some trouble writing them well (because of their sexist worldviews). Yes, talent is important, but talent can be badly tainted by a worldview that limits you from writing women as complex individuals with agency rather than props or one-dimensional plot devices.

I'm not saying every woman on DW is like this, not by a long shot, but it seems to be a general trend, based on a good deal of commentary, observation, and some of the comments the writers have made about women and writing them.

[lex_antonia]

Also, just for the record, do you believe that there is currently not a single female writer interested in DW who could write at least as well as, say, Mark Gatiss? Because that idea is ludicrous beyond words.

[mekkio]

Of course I don't. But to look at the writer line-up and go, "Dick, Dick, Dick, Dick. No women writers. Yep, there is no way this show can possibly have any interesting women characters because the writers' room is a sausage fest" is equally a silly notion.

[(Anonymous)]

Not when the show itself already has a history of male qriters writing terrible female characters.

[mekkio]

But don't write bad female characters because they are male, they write bad female character because they are hacks.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that's what the secret says, though? DW has a poor track record when it comes to writing female characters, that's not really a secret. OP wants to think it can do better, but doesn't think an all-male writing staff is an optimistic sign. OP didn't say men couldn't write women, just that an all-male writing staff on a show with a bad track record didn't inspire confidence.

[(Anonymous)]

That sounds nice and all but in reality, all-male writing teams do NOT write consistently decent female characters. The opposite doesn't hold true, probably because women are taught from a young age to relate to innumerable male characters. Women know how to write men because women are constantly shown complex male characters. Men do not know how to write decent female characters in general because men are not asked to relate to female characters, since films/shows/books with an emphasis on female characters are generally shoved into "chick flick category".

[(Anonymous)]

Wow. I'm sure you didn't mean it this way but man, "BUT only if they can write. In the end, talent should win over sex" smacks of "Well, if you can find one of those *mythical* women who can actually write sci-fi, rare as unicorns though they may be."

I mean, you honestly think decent writers are so thin in this world that it would require much more than a minimum effort to get one of them that's a woman? Seriously?

[arcadiaego]

They probably mean it's just a complete coincidence that there are no women writers, like all the people who say 'the best person was cast for the job' when a role is whitewashed etc.