[ SECRET POST #2673 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2673 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/Vye1KEL.jpg

[comradesmiler]

All I care about DW at this point is the villians, and even then I know better.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't take a woman to write a good female character. What a stupid concept. If that was true then by the same logic women can't write convincing men and nobody on Earth can write a convincing alien. For whatever reason, DW has a small writers' room. It happens.

[(Anonymous)]

Who is that guy? A new companion?

[fauxkaren]

We don't know much he'll be in series 8, I don't think. But he's a co-worker of Clara's and he's going to be in at least one episode.

[(Anonymous)]

Which guy?

[rivulet027]

yes. Danny Pink.

[fauxkaren]

I've brought this up before and people have responded by "but look at the s3 Dalek episodes! Those were written by a woman and they sucked!" RME. a) Helen Raynor isn't the only woman who can write sci-fi- find another and b) Mark Gatiss has written some truly terrible episodes and he keeps getting episodes commission so clearly quality of writing isn't the number 1 concern anyway, so....

[lex_antonia]

Amen.

[comradesmiler]

TBH, I liked those S3 dalek episodes. Guilty pleasure.

[arcadiaego]

This is what people say about Catwoman/Elektra re. a female superhero movie. Straight white guys get to produce crap all the time without writing the entire group off; everyone else has to try a lot harder (and even when they do someone will find a reason they still suck).

[mekkio]

As a woman, I hate, hate, freakin' LOATHE that belief that you need a pair of ovaries in order to write a decent female character.

It's that backward belief that has led many male authors from not wanting to write female characters. Never mind the fact that there are many women authors who can't write decent female characters to save their lives. (Can Gillian Flynn write a female character that isn't a shallow shrew, a self declared woman hater and/or a psychopath? Can Stephanie Meyer write a woman character that isn't paper thin and one dimensional?)

A good writer should be able to breathe life into any character they write, whether or not they share the same sex as their fictional creation.

Now would it be nice to have more women on a writing staff on any given show? Of course. BUT only if they can write. In the end, talent should win over sex.

[(Anonymous)]

+1,000,000

[(Anonymous)]

You are severely and completely missing the point here, friend.

[fauxkaren]

In the end, talent should win over sex.

But that's not the world we live in, so we're stuck with a bunch of mediocre male writers.

[lex_antonia]

As a woman, I hate, hate, freakin' LOATHE that belief that you need a pair of ovaries in order to write a decent female character.

Which was stated in this way by ... precisely nobody. The New Who has fewer women writers than Star Trek had in the goddamn sixties. Pointing this out, and pointing out that Steven Moffat's writing has a lot of issues does not mean that 'you need a pair of ovaries' to write women.

[making_excuses]

I get where you are coming from, but the fact that any workplace manages to not hire both genders are just fucking moronic and should not be the case.

The thought that gender does not matter just enforces the fact that women can't get some jobs because men can do them just as well and vice versa.

[skippydelicious]

Yes, you hate Moffat we all get it. Rah-rah, Moffat hate, rah-rah-rah. For god's sake either get some new troll material, or take off the SJW blinders - depending on your particular malfunction.

Question

[(Anonymous)]

Is "the new season" sans Moffat? Because that, right there, means 100% improvement for ALL the characters.

[a_potato]

I don't think there's anything wrong with worrying about the quality of female characters.

I think it's at least side-eye worthy, however, to adopt the attitude that men can't write quality female characters.

[(Anonymous)]

To all the people going, "Wuh!? Men can totally write female characters omg shut up!!" I think you're missing the point. Yeah I know, women are capable of writing some pretty sexist shit (coughcoughStephieneMeyercoughcough) but if you're going to write a female character on a popular show like DW, shouldn't you have at least one women writer, just to make sure the other writers arnt fucking up her character? Because lets admit it, it's really easy to screw up a character that's part of a demographic that you don't know much about.

[rbhudson]

Wow, big surprise, no women writers. Oh, Moffat.

[(Anonymous)]

You should go over to the Sherlock fandom. There are plenty there who would welcome you with open arms.

[(Anonymous)]

A big problem I see in this is that people seem to think 'female character' is monolithic when there are a lot of different kinds of female characters just as there are a lot of different kinds of women. The old adage 'write what you know' fits here. Bushnell writing for Sex & the City wrote very different female characters than Roseanne Barr for Roseanne because of different experiences, personalities, worldview, etc.

And you have to admit that there are a lot of female writers giving us women only as girlfriend/wife/mother or whose lives in other ways revolve around men and/or family while there are male writers who gave us Donna Noble, Ripley, and Buffy. As a gal who desperately wants more Donnas, Ripleys, and Buffies and fewer Carries, Samanthas, and Bellas, I don't care what gender the writers are so long as we see women whose storylines include something other than dating/marriage/babies because women do think about other things. And if it's a male writer who does it, that's fine by me.

[arcadiaego]

Hiring female writers won't change the fact that Moffat can't write a series arc to save his life. So no, I'm not optimistic.