[ SECRET POST #2677 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2677 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Scribbler]


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[bioshock infinite: burial at sea]


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[True Detective]


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[fire emblem/super smash bros]


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[World of Warcraft]


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12. [SPOILERS for Hannibal]



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13. [SPOILERS for Bioshock: Infinite]



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14. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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15. [WARNING for rape/abuse I'm assuming? Ramsay/Theon stuff]
http://i.imgur.com/Xo0GSkI.png



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16. [WARNING for mental illness/hospitals]



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17. [WARNING for depression]



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18. [WARNING for eating disorders]



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19. [WARNING for rape]

[Game of Thrones]








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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I can't take anyone seriously who is mad that there was an extra rape scene in Game of Thrones. Like, hello. Rape and torture are like 80% of the story, what's one more at this point, seriously. If you're mad about the deviation from the book, or the guy's character "changing" okay, but seriously, all this shock and outrage over rape scenes seems a bit late. As if GRRM would never ever write such a scene as that.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody's mad that there's an extra rape scene in Game of Thrones.

They're mad because a character who is vehemently against rape at every turn did it.

[(Anonymous)]

He's against rape, okay.

But he's also fucking his own sister. Safe to say that when it comes to Cersei, what passes for Jaime's morality flies out the fucking window.

[(Anonymous)]

flies out the fucking window
Like Bran did.

[(Anonymous)]

ohgodilaughed

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Well played, Ser. Well played indeed.

[insanenoodlyguy]

*bows*

[(Anonymous)]

....he's fucking his sister cause they're in a fucking consensual relationship.

Not the same thing at all, jesus christ.

[(Anonymous)]

There was also discussion on how the director's intent was for it to be consensual and thought it clearly read that way (along with whomever else worked on staging that scene), but that many viewers saw it as non-consensual; and how to examine that dissonance.

[gondremark]

How could anyone possibly see that scene as anything but non-consensual? That doesn't make any sense.

[feotakahari]

There were two interviews. In one, the director called it rape. In another, said director said it was consensual by the end because Cersei started wanting it partway through. Respond with whatever image macros you find appropriate.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't think it was that far off from the book. I haven't read the whole series, so I am aware I could be completely misreading the context, but a site posted the passage and Cersei resisted at first but Jaime kept pushing until she gave consent.

[gondremark]

By the time the scene shifted, she was still saying "no", so I don't think there's even an argument that she changed her mind partway through.
Not that that makes it any less squicky and ghastly and culturally disturbing, though.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't see it as rape until the Internet told me it was; the Lannisters are awful and gross anyway, hate sex in a church isn't beyond them. It seemed to me she was saying no to the location/proximity to Joffrey rather than to Jamie. Granted, she was mad at him and he at her, but she was kissing him back. She kept saying "it's not right," which again made me think it was about the time and place, not her desire. Apparently I watched it wrong, but it seemed like she didn't care about that as much as being seen or, being beside her dead son.

[gondremark]

Yes, but if she says no because of the time and place and not because of the guy, it's still no and that's still rape (though a tad less on the horribleness-of-rape scale, if there is such a thing).

And besides, the notion I got from the scene was that it was indeed rapey, and I didn't stop to consider why she was saying no, because I was too busy going, "yup, those Lannisters are a pack of horrible miscreants" (which is to say, the scene didn't surprise me at all because everyone on the show, especially the Lannisters, are monsters).

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking this. It's still a no and yet Jaime still persists instead of taking her somewhere where she's more comfortable having sex. That's what makes both the scene in the show and book rape to me.

[meganbmoore]

I always read it as rape in the book for largely the same reason. (Only watched the first season of the show.). When someone verbally and physically rejects your overtures of sex and you ignore them and they only "consent" because the alternative (discovery and imprisonment/worse for them, probably exile at best for their surviving children) it's rape, and her "enthusiasm" was her telling him to get it over with already. Why she said no is irrelevant, as is an existing sexual relationship, which is another common defense of the book scene, as is "but Cersei never says it's rape in her POV" which...is going to happen when the person writing a rape scene from the POV of the rapist doesn't think ti's rape.

(Personally, I find GRRM's claims that Cersei was totally "hungry" for Jamie and his choice to describe her physical resistance as "feeble" very telling, and as bad as anything the showrunners said, because he's saying that women who don't fight hard enough and "consent" when they realize they have no alternative just needed a man to ignore their choice until she miraculously realizes that she doesn't know what she wants, but men do.)

[(Anonymous)]

Ayrt

This, just all of this. You put it much better than I did and this is why it baffles me that people think that scene was any better or more consensual than the one in the show Jaime's a fucking rapist imo.


And thank you, I was starting to think I was the only one on this comm who thought it was rape.

[meganbmoore]

When I first started hearing descriptions of how it played out in the show, I honestly thought it sounded like it was mostly the same, but from a universal pov, instead of Jaime's pov. (Then I read the showrunners' comments and some more specific dialogue, so that changed, but...)

[a_potato]

Yes. This is what I have seen as the source of most of the outrage: the director didn't think he was making a rape scene. Which, yeah, is pretty distressing.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought she was initially reluctant but changed her mind. I was surprised people saw it as clear cut as they apparently do. For the record, I'm really critical of the rape and nasty sex content in the show.

[(Anonymous)]

There was also discussion on how the director's intent was for it to be consensual and thought it clearly read that way (along with whomever else worked on staging that scene)

lol, sounds like they've gotten a bit too comfortable with their "standards" of healthy sex if something like that is considered "obviously" consensual.

I think they need to be reminded that we can't see all the crazy that happens in Cersei's head in the book, and if they were trying to substitute this for the literal bloody mess in the book, it sounds like they failed miserably.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe for the writers and production people, as well as in-universe, it is consensual, or close enough to it for gov't work.

Who knows. I'm just not going to waste my outrage on something between two very fucked up people just because one of them was sort of saying no the one time. Social outrage is better spent on...well, anything else.