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⌈ Secret Post #2681 ⌋

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To everyone who's going BUT BUT ORIGINAL WORK!

[(Anonymous)]

Have you actually tried it or do you know many people who have? Yeah, there's some outliers who've managed to transform their fanfiction past into a successful publishing career, but it's rare. Fandom has a built-in audience; original fiction doesn't.

Re: To everyone who's going BUT BUT ORIGINAL WORK!

[(Anonymous)]

And? I mean, are you saying writing is original work for money is much, much too hard so it's easier to ride someone else's coattails to easier living?

Cuz if you are, WOW.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

It's easy for some quick cash, yeah. But hey, obviously you have no problems with artists riding the coattails of people who designed those characters! They still do the work. Why is fanfic different?

Re: DA

[ketita]

^^^^ this.

To be honest, I think that sometimes writing a fanfic is more difficult than fanart anyway, in terms of how much you have to still create. I mean unlike character designs, which are right there in front of your face, you have to extrapolate the plot, the society, do worldbuilding, understand the characters' personalities and expand on them... There's a lot of work to do besides just the technical writing, and still a lot of invention left.

(not dissing fanart, but just look at the hours and hours put into research for some fics! Having a prefab setting is a help, but the main difference between that and original fiction is having a preexisting audience)

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, good artists actually do a lot of the same things you're talking about. Even if a character design is there for me to see, I rarely do straight up copies in my fanwork so I'm often completely redesigning a character to fit "my style" and in that redesign I'm also doing a lot of research on the world and the personality of the character. I can't tell you how many times I've ditched a drawing because it didn't "fit" the character.

Maybe not every artist does this but it was hammered into me in art school to know my subject and do my research (to the point that sometimes I spend way too much time looking up things when I should be drawing.) I mean you can churn out quick studies pretty fast, but fanfic writers can do the same as I've seen many do quick prompts before.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Late to the party, but I agree with the other anon. As both a writer and an artist, it's hard to reconcile that notion. Especially if you're doing anything story based (I do comics a lot, if I'm writing prose, I can bang out in an hour something that would take MONTHS to finish in art.)

Not only that, AND the research mentioned by the anon above (You have to translate a character's personality visually, in gesture, posture and expression, which can be very hard sometimes), but a lot of quality art takes a lot of time. My "fast" pieces take about 8 hours to complete. I know there are artists who can work a lot faster, but between research, thumbnails, sketching, drawing, inking, coloring, shading, hilighting and any additional effects, a LOT of work goes into something that people only glance at for a second. At least with fics, people have to sit with it for a while.

That said, I'm not actually disagreeing with you. A LOT of work can go into writing as well. It's just that they're two different mediums. Some things are much easier in art, and some things are much easier in drawing. Which is why conversations like the OP's bug me a bit. They're two different things, really. Any given comparison between a piece of art and piece of writing are going to be all over the board in terms of the work put in by each. It's hard to compare them despite how similar they seem.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I'd honestly separate comics from general fanart. Comics are basically the crossroad between fanfiction and fanart. Basically, like, fanart < fanfic < comics in terms of length of time spent in general, with some exceptions.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Where did I say I had no problems with fan artists? I didn't mention fanart because I'm a fanfic writer, so it's all about the words for me. Art isn't on my radar.

But, as a matter of fact, I feel the same whether it's a writer making easy money or an artist making easy money. Riffing on someone else's imagination and creativity for money and profit (however small) is so lazy to me, and it's a disservice to the person who sat down and actually made an effort to create something somewhat original.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I can't talk for anyone, but I dislike the idea of fanfiction writers taking commissions as much as I hate fanartists doing the same thing.

Sorry, but I think using the preexisting audience for some easy cash is disrespectful for the people who created the original material (the people who, you know, did it the hard way: creating something original and trying to get it published) and it may end causing problems to everyone producing fandom stuff (even if they aren't selling it).

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

We went over this the last time it came up.

If you do like one shot commissions for people that should be fine. Most of the fanart I do for pay and the fics my friends write for pay are typically private. If you start printing books you're in bad territory.

Writing is a lot more damaging to IPs that single pieces of art. There's also the legal issue of what if someone who works on the IP reads your fic and decides to include the plot without your permission. Or more possible, they use an idea similar to yours and you decide to sue them. That's why Comic publishers generally don't accept unsolicited scripts.

Technically people that do stuff like sell t-shirts and prints are doing something illegal. If we're talk about people at cons, most companies allow it because it's advertisement and who wants to be that guy that tells a booth to stop selling stuff with their characters on it? The only people who can get away with that are small press/web creators like Hussie because people are more defensive of the little guy's property than a companies'.

As far as comics go, most of those people are, or want to be, in comics and fanart is their way of showing the companies they can draw their characters.