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Okay, how do I put this. I was almost 16 on 9/11-so old enough to see what was going on around me. I was reading newspapers, watching adult movies, etc.

A lot of the people on the internet claiming that culture was dramatically different before 9/11, that things changed "within a week" after the event, are probably considerably younger than me. That anon was likely considerably younger than you. And we live in a culture drenched in an artificially fast nostalgia cycle. That, and frankly they were raised on propaganda. They believe everything is different because the dominant narrative is that everything was different, because that sells.

The change was no more dramatic than the change between the 1980s and the 1990s.

You know what actually changed things? The increased spread of the internet. Smartphones. Iraq and Afghanistan, and then only after that had gone on for a long time. Not 9/11.

I'm honestly surprised that someone who wasn't old enough to actually remember clearly would make a claim like that. Not saying I doubt you, I just tend to give people the benefit of the doubt...you're probably right.

I definitely do not trust my own perspective on this. I was in 5th grade and fairly unaware of culture even for a kid.

I'm honestly surprised that someone who wasn't old enough to actually remember clearly

Are you kidding? "Rah Rah This Is Our Pearl Harbor" makes people feel good. That and they were being told that relentlessly.

I'm not going to claim 9/11 didn't have a big impact, simply that culture wasn't really different before.

I guess it never occurred to me to think of it as "my Pearl Harbor". Goodness sake, it's like the terrorist attack version of Oppression Olympics. "Your generation had your horrible tragedy that gave you victim status, now we have one too!" It's kinda gross actually, now that I think of it that way.

That's really not it, though. Regardless of how young the anon you mentioned was, 9/11 was a huge thing that directly led to a war and economic consequences, so I don't understand why it's so surprising that people see it as something that impacted them, and society as a whole.

It's not like you can expect everyone to be able to express themselves eloquently or completely factual, but attitudes did change. And to be fair Pearl Harbor was also a huge event, so obviously those who lived through it are going to be influenced by it.

The thing is, kids make ridiculous claims like that all the time. Everyone wants to feel like their generation is experiencing something new.

Careful you'll cut yourself on that edge.

At least this isn't a fedora comment, but what the hell was so damn "edgy" about what I said?

This business of trying to paint me as some kind of 100% OKCupid Enemy stereotype is getting old.

Ignore useless troll anons. Their comments have no merit, so stop feeding them.

I'm trying to, but it's getting to be constant harassment at this point and I'm quite sick of it.

I don't blame you. I just wanted to say, though, that I really like and appreciate your comments here, and I hope that asshole-anon doesn't chase you off. (Although I understand if it gets too much to deal with, because... been there, done that. Granted, the community I left had a reputation for waiting for regulars to fuck up and eating its own...)

Thanks :)

Running late today to post on F!S, but wanted to +1 anon above. You've always been nice to me, I really hope this stupid troll doesn't put you off coming round here.

Thanks. :)

Thing is the newscasters were saying "This is this generation's Pearl Harbor" the on that very DAY. So it's not really suprising that some have taken that message to heart and gone with it.

On a side note - this turns out to have been a very good suggestion, Dethtoll. Seems this thread blew literally up overnight. *reads everything*

Edited 2014-05-14 17:20 (UTC)

9/11 set the events in motion that made those changes as a result of "Iraq and Afghanistan" absolutely inevitable. I was older than you and I saw the sea change almost immediately, though its effects wouldn't be fully felt for a few years, they were entirely predictable. And they were different from what had been, and the direction things had been going, up to that point.

Of course things dramatically changed between the 1980s and the 1990s, too, because of the end of the Soviet Union. "Things also changed dramatically at another time because of different events" does not mean things did not change dramatically as a result of 9/11.

This.

I mean, change's gonna happen, but there are landmark events that turn the general attitudes of society one way or another in a particular direction (more cynical, dissatisfied, etc. It's not something immediate, obviously.

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