[ SECRET POST #2691 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2691 ⌋

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Comments

[feotakahari]

Just looked up Vox Day after two references to him today. He sounds pretty vile, but what's his connection to this guy?

[(Anonymous)]

Other than the fact that they argue on Larry's blog and he was part of Larry's Hugo ballot (because Larry liked the story he wrote and is one of those people who separates the art from the artist)?

Nothing.

[(Anonymous)]

The guy is a fan of Vox's and asked his own fanbase to do some ballot stuffing on the Hugos to get him nominated.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, so when Scalzi says "vote for me," that's totally legit promotion. When Correia does it and says "vote for these other works I also think are awesome," it's "ballot stuffing."

Even though the Hugos are totally a popularity contest.

Gotcha.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know about this Scalzo guy, obviously if he tried it it didn't work because he's not on the ballot. However if all he was saying was "vote for me, I'm great" then that is fine. Don't care about that. However Corriea getting his base to vote for someone else to make a political point (that the wimmins are takings over his ski-fi, and the menz need to put them in their place) and not because of the actual writings themselves, that is not fine and that is ballot stuffing.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait? What? NM - I think I'm gonna back away while I can still read and enjoy his work. Knowing more about writers/actors/whatevers never, ever works out for me.

[(Anonymous)]

I am a woman. I am a writer. I know Larry personally. And at the last convention we were both at, he was holding forth to a small group of people, whom I joined. He introduced me by saying "Oh, hey, everyone, this is [name redacted], she's awesome."

At another convention, he heard that one of my stories was on an editor's desk, and he walked up to that editor (completely unasked) and told him "You need to put her story on the top of the stack."

So, no, the narrative painting him as a horrible sexist whatever is stupid and ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

That story would be more credible if the post it was in were not anonymous.

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

Well, then, here you go.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, that's better.

So why do you think he is pimping the misogynistic little zealot who is at best a middling writer?

[(Anonymous)]

I hate to break this to you, but horrible sexists aren't these one-note hate robots who are horrible to every single woman they meet. Most of them believe they like and respect women, and have a few women they believe are different (read: superior to) all the other women. That's how they can be okay with a specific woman, yet sneering and dismissive of the gender as a whole.

Fred Phelps had a whole family (including daughters!) who loved him and supported his cause. None of them would've described him as a horrible person, either. They would've also said that any accusations of him being a hateful bigot was ridiculous. It's a matter of perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that's not what he does. He will call a fuckwit a fuckwit without regard to what gender, orientation, or race they are.

I for one applaud that.

[(Anonymous)]

Just, he thinks that women and LGBTIQ folks are much more liable to be "fuckwits" than anything else, and that they are ruining sci-fi by oppreshun of the menz.

[(Anonymous)]

Your one experience totally trumps all his publically expressed views.

Nope nope nope.

[(Anonymous)]

What views? That check-box message fic without actual plot and characterization is the cancer killing SFF? That both men and women are guilty of writing it?

Also, I've had ongoing interactions with him over multiple years. They have always been positive. Seriously, the dude is a teddy bear in person.

And those would be?

[(Anonymous)]

What are the "expressed views" that have your panties in a knot? Be specific.

"Does not like communism or communists" is not the same as "misogynist", no matter how many times you and your fellow travelers claim that it is.

[(Anonymous)]

lol

he does not literally snarl and rave maniacally when presented with the existence of a woman, therefore he is not a sexist

i am glad that he was nice to you! i am happy that you had a positive experience. that is good.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, huh. He's never been a condescending dick to me like you just were.

[(Anonymous)]

..."This Scalzo guy"?

You mean the guy who won last year? That guy?

That's not what Correia did. And that's not the point he was making either.

[(Anonymous)]

John Scalzi is the current president of the Science Fiction Writers of America, and 2013 Best Novel Hugo winner. And no, he did not advocate ballot stuffing, all he did (as he does every year) was list his eligible works when nomination time comes around. It's basically a For Your Consideration post.

[(Anonymous)]

Suggesting that people vote for you (or other works that you like) is not "ballot stuffing".

[(Anonymous)]

Scalzi is no longer President of SFWA. Steven Gould is. They had elections and everything.

Scalzi used his blog to promote his own eligible work. It won. He also solicited his commenters to recommend works for the ballot. many others put together lists of recommended works for nomination. There's nothing wrong with that -- unless, apparently, you're not one of the Kool Kidz, in which case it's an abomination.

What?

[(Anonymous)]

Can you give me one direct quote from Larry Correia that suggests he's a sexist in any way? Because I've never heard one. I think you're making up your narrative and spewing it like its fact.

Ballot stuffing

[(Anonymous)]

By your definition every politician, actor, athlete, musician and writer that has ever won an election or an award based on a public vote is guilty of ballot stuffing.

What Larry did is standard practice in all popularity based award formats, especially the Hugo. Nominees have always encouraged others to vote for himself, herself or someone they feel is deserving, that is simply how the world works. The ludicrous part of this entire argument is the fact that many of those in the sci-fi author/fan community that are now making accusations of wrongdoing have done the same thing over the years.

So long as the individual ultimately casts their vote themselves and they do not submit more than that their allotted number of votes, it is not ballot stuffing.

[(Anonymous)]

Excuse me, but you've never heard of "Scalzi" - LAST YEAR's Hugo winner - and you think that because you know nothing you can make pronouncements about politics and fan activity in SF? Without an *informed* look at what is going on, what makes you think anyone should give what *you* say any credence?