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I'll go I'll go!

- Bucky and Steve being lovers before TWS. I can buy it somehow when it's during the war and if it's written wonderfully well, but in any other case I just go, 'really?' To each their own of course, but I just can't read it happening like they are modern boys (I mean, it's not even easy now). Also, I like Peggy and their blooming relationship is totally believable and nice, so yeah.

- TWS!Cap blushing. Any other Avenger blushing, really. I think once I read about the Winter Soldier blushing.

- Hair cutting fic. There's a lot. I HATE IT BECAUSE I'M PETTY AND I LIKE BUCKY IN A PONYTAIL OKAY

- Fic where's there's like a switch that makes Bucky go Winter Soldier and then revert back to Bucky. And they are treated like two different persons. I mean, it's the same awesome character, why would you do that? There's no Bucky without TWS anymore!

/not particularly angry rant

Yeah, I get you about them being lovers before the war. Not only was their relationship a little unbalanced but I doubt that Bucky would have gone off to war so easily if they were in love.

Now, them having crushes without realising what it was, that I can buy.

As for switching personas, I did see one fic where he was actually diagnosed with DID and explained how it developed because of the trauma Bucky went through. That I can get. Just switching otherwise without that justification? Ker-nope.

Not only was their relationship a little unbalanced
Yeah, that's also a reason why I can't really buy it. And in fact I never had shipping thoughts before TWS, so I suppose it never got me even on an emotional level.

As for switching personas, I did see one fic where he was actually diagnosed with DID and explained how it developed because of the trauma Bucky went through
There are always wonderfully crafted stories that will justify everything and make me love it, and this is no exception. A reason why I don't like this happening is that I *adore* the Winter Soldier. I mean, it's not that he is a villain, it's just that they destroyed him and wiped him until he knew nothing anymore... and it makes me sad when they just 'replace' him with ol' good guy Bucky (even because in my head Bucky wasn't a 'nice guy' before either, he had been pretty fucked up).

I agree. I'd much rather have TWS slowly start to learn to be human again and get in touch with what's left of 'Bucky' until the two merge together. After what he's been through he just CAN'T go back to being 'old Bucky'. He needs to forge a new persona for himself in a new world he can finally be a part of. THAT'S the goldmine.

Uh, speaking of which, if you know a good fic that covers that ...

h, speaking of which, if you know a good fic that covers that ...
You've just opened a big can of worms here. I think I have 7 pages of ao3 bookmarks... I think I only save the fics that deal with this theme in a decent manner.

Let me see if I recognize some titles straight away and I'll be back with some quick recs. :)

I now realised I need to go to bed or tomorrow I won't wake up at all. I promise to have some good rec by tomorrow night. :D

I agree. The best fics are where they work on healing his BTSD and stuff but where Steve acknowledges that Bucky is not the same Bucky he used to know.

I like it when there were feelings pre-WS where Steve was conflicted and liking both Peggy and Bucky and maybe not realizing it. I can like it where they maybe acted on it a bit in secret in the army. That's just because I like the idea of Bucky having flashbacks to a relationship. But I don't want a modern-era type relationship pre-WS or anything that hurts the Peggy/Steve we got.

I doubt that Bucky would have gone off to war so easily if they were in love

I have seen meta that based on Bucky's military ID number he was most likely drafted.

he was most likely drafted
My heart. <3

In Cap 3 I desperately want them to give us more closure on their pre-war relationship. Not only because I WANT IT, but because seriously, we need more... I understand comics may have a lot more in them, but the movie was seriously lacking.

Most of the fics I have seen for pre-serum Steve/Bucky have not been very easy? They all mostly deal with how much secrecy and how dangerous it is.

I love Bucky with any kind of hair I can get him with. D:

To be fair I have also read fics that deal with it tastefully and realistically, one of my fav fics ever is the one called '5 times Steve kissed Bucky and one time Bucky kissed Steve', but the fact is that they are both very much in love, but it's super unbalanced and a fact to be freaked out about, not a happy thing. In this one this 'unnatural yearning' is treated like something to be scared of and that must at all costs avoided, and I think it hits home more than on fics where 'they know it's wrong, but their love will save them'.

I think the fear and the knowledge of doing something that is 'unnatural and wrong' is too downplayed, considering it's the 30s.

I LOVE BUCKY PERIOD. <3

Hrm. What do you mean by unbalanced?

I don't know if it's just lazy writing in the movie, but they come across as codependent but not friends in Cap 1. Do I make sense?

Bucky is the one that got it all, he's beautiful, strong and clever and women fall on him. Steve is... pre-serum Steve. He doesn't come across as the guy who envies Bucky his good luck, but pre-serum Steve/Bucky scenes in the movie do not make me think of potential couple fodder... there's a whole lot of Bucky being super protective and Steve looking a bit irritated by it IMO. It's more of a caretaker/child kind of relationship IMO.

Hrm. I guess I didn't see it like that. If anything, it may have been more of a brother/older brother relationship. But even then, who the big brother for me changes by what you are measuring. Steve seems to be older when it comes to psychological (and emotional to a degree) stuff while Bucky seems to be older when it comes to physicality.

It also doesn't help I dislike the movie and have only seen most of those scenes once. Plus when I think of codependent I think of the Winchester brothers and Steve/Bucky ain't got nothing on them.

Plus when I think of codependent I think of the Winchester brothers and Steve/Bucky ain't got nothing on them.
OMG no. But Sam/Dean is a whole another level beyond codependency... it's unrealistic at this point.

Yeah, bro/bro also works for me...

I've rewatched the movie lately and I'm extremely disappointed in the pre-serum Bucky/Steve scenes... they just did not make time for them, at all. I'm now thinking it could have been a choice, not to show too much of Bucky, because if there's one thing that works is that in Cap 1 Bucky is indeed a super enigmatic character. You CAN see (mostly SS's acting skills but also a directing choice) how much he keeps inside.

But at the same time his background is practically nothing. We just know he's around to throw girls at Steve and to extract him from allies, but yes, that's it.

I'm probably SUPER bitter because they say goodbye to each other in such an anticlimatic way that I was like, 'so that's... that's it? His best friend is going to war and probably to death and that's it?'. So maybe Steve is not too overwhelmed by feelings because he really thinks he's going to make it and join Bucky, but damn, they could have said like 3 words more to each other... the ONE thing I adore of that scene though is the FANTASTIC 'Farewell to Bucky''s song composed by Alan Silvestri that plays in the background and makes me cry only by being there...

PS: also, I'm so going to bed now, I'll catch up tomorrow. :D

Edited 2014-05-18 22:45 (UTC)

Re: CA:TWS

kaijinscendre - 2014-05-18 22:49 (UTC) - Expand

I...dunno. One of my best friends is beautiful (literal beauty pageant contestant), really smart and used to get all the boys when she was in the dating scene - I'm definitely the bland friend next to her.

Not that I'm romantically involved with her, but I'm just saying these friendships can exist without being codependent or imbalanced. Honestly only thing that would kill it is jealousy or resentment from the inside.

It's not just the difference in attractiveness, that wouldn't have to be an issue in a friendship! It's more the way they interact in Cap 1, where Bucky comes across IMO as an asshole most of the time. But I think that's because we aren't given enough scenes between the two of them, like, say, Bucky and Steve together alone somewhere, talking about whatever that isn't girls and the war. I think that movie underdeveloped their relationship way too much, and only giving us the glimpses we need to understand the characters ended up making their relationship looking only functional and not emotional.

And btw, I LOVE SS's face around serum!Steve... he looks like he's proud and awkward and terrified and resentful all at the same time, and in the conversation at the bar you can def see how they love each other. I wish they had shaped them a bit more in the pre-war part of their life.

I think they'll give us more in Cap 3 though, because there's no way they are going to make a movie about Cap finding Bucky without fleshing Bucky out a little more?

Edited 2014-05-19 10:34 (UTC)

I could rant about blushing in every fandom forever, tbh. I don't know if it's a new trend or if I just never noticed it before a year or two ago.

I can give or take his hair tbh. I'm more bothered by fic that have Bucky's arm just come off without any issue and... it really does not look like that thing could be removed easily, if at all to me.

Yeah having Bucky and WS be two distinct personalities is, well odd. If it's a fic where he's given DID for the purposes of the story it's fine but if that's not the case then I don't like it. But then those fics often have Bucky go back to being exactly how he was before the war, and even without the whole WS mess Bucky wasn't going to be the same as before.

Unless his arm is detachable and fitted into a kind of shoulder port, it seems welded right into his body and nervous system... so yeah, not the kind of thing you'd detach.

If you look at the pictures, it does look detachable to me actually. It looks like part of the mechanism is embedded in his shoulder socket, but there's a line where the actual arm seems to "click in". But obviously it wouldn't be like a regular prosthetic.

A bit like Edward Elric's, then?

I guess! I'm not that intimately familiar with Edward's arm.

Re: CA:TWS

(Anonymous) - 2014-05-18 23:48 (UTC) - Expand

Yeah the shoulder port idea could work and I've seen it in fic but I've seen far more of 'oh we'll just take this metal arm off, no big' in fic and it always annoys me a little. Tbh I'm not even sure how much of Bucky's original arm is even left underneath all that metal.

I'm more bothered by fic that have Bucky's arm just come off without any issue and... it really does not look like that thing could be removed easily, if at all to me.
YES. That's another thing that hurts my soul. And asides from the fact that I LOVE how the arm looks and I become sad when they take it off, well how could they take it off like that? It also probably goes all the way into nis brain and spine, it's not like you can just take it off like that? It's not a prosthetic arm, it's a weapon they built on their weapon, not meant to be taken off.

But then those fics often have Bucky go back to being exactly how he was before the war,
That's a bit too much IMO, yes. And well, my main issue with this is that really I can't understand why anyone would want him to revert to what he once was. I think what makes new Bucky such a freaking interesting character is that he's so dark and that he has to get through the programming and what he has done. It's heartbreaking, but that's what makes him such a complex and interesting and sad character, and at the same time so badass and ultimately terrifying.

My love for TWS is showing a bit too much, SORRY.

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