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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-05-22 06:50 pm

[ SECRET POST #2697 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2697 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Fringe]


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[Tales of series]


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[Revenge]


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[Starsky & Hutch]


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[Once Upon a Time]


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[Rozen Maiden]


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[Beyoncé]


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Re: Dumb fandom speculations

(Anonymous) 2014-05-23 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
I'm fairly certain that a sizable subset (a SUBSET, mind you!) of obsessive slash fans exist because these are people who have never a) good friends AND b) a serious romantic relationship in their life.

Therefore, they cannot appreciate fictional friendships because their experience of friendships has been so crappy, and think that friendships are inherently non-valuable and unsatisfying. However, this whole mysterious "falling in love" thing, since it's mysterious and can only be explained by people who have fallen in love, is something they can make-up in their own minds as being some fantasy nirvana of earth-shattering transcendental intimacy, since they've never experienced the reality of a serious romantic relationship. So they parse all powerful feelings and intimacy between two men (or women, more rarely) as obviously slash.

There's also a het counterpart that behaves similarly -- these are people who may have perfectly good friendships, but who have a similarly arid experience of serious romantic relationships. They think that romantic relationships define their worth, so if their ship isn't "endgame" and character A doesn't get together with character B, it's because the writers believe character B is "unworthy", not because s/he just isn't a good romantic fit for character B.

(again, this is just a SUBSET mind you. Not generalizing to all hardcore slash or het fans, many of whom, I'm sure, just really, really, really like slash/shipping.)

Re: Dumb fandom speculations

(Anonymous) 2014-05-23 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
There's also a het counterpart that behaves similarly -- these are people who may have perfectly good friendships, but who have a similarly arid experience of serious romantic relationships. They think that romantic relationships define their worth, so if their ship isn't "endgame" and character A doesn't get together with character B, it's because the writers believe character B is "unworthy", not because s/he just isn't a good romantic fit for character B.

ngl I fall into this category and I kinda tend towards doing this sometimes

ofc that's only anecdotal but, you know, maybe you're onto something
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Re: Dumb fandom speculations

[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-05-23 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
See, I'm a slash fan and this is actually pretty hard for me, since I DO appreciate a good friendship. But also, to myself, friendship and romance have always been close. To explain: I'm obviously not romantic with most of my friends - but the reverse is true: I never became romantic with someone who wasn't a damn good friend prior.

I think that's part of why some subset of slash fic appeals to me, because it's more often than het written as buddies who have sex. And I like that.

But, half of the time I'm like: So am I going to squee over their friendship, or am I going to ship 'em? (My icon is relevant).

Re: Dumb fandom speculations

(Anonymous) 2014-05-23 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
OP

Oh! Don't get me wrong, I certainly do NOT think that slash fans can't appreciate a good friendship. Far from it.

It's just that after nearly ten years of interacting with slash fans, I'm convinced that there is a certain contingent of really insistent "they HAVE to be gay! They obviously cannot be straight! Gen devalues the true extent of their love!" slashers who seem so personally invested in it, so hyperbolic and unrealistic about what a romantic relationship entails, and so incapable of comprehending the idea of platonic intimacy that I can't help think there's more to their mindset than just really, really, really liking slash.