[ SECRET POST #2702 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2702 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's not going to happen, because you're categorized the thing in the wrong genre.

It's not your fault. In many ways, it's a mistake that GRRM invites. But you've completely misapprehended the basic genre that Game of Thrones is in.

[(Anonymous)]

Trashy pseudo-political soap opera?

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. It's an epic fantasy series, just like all the others.

[(Anonymous)]

Bitch, please. It's history with a couple dragons tossed in, pretending to be more than it is.

[(Anonymous)]

This is my favourite comment in the history of fandom!secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

Magic is coming back, dragons are back, a fire god can kill people with magic, and the biggest threat so far in the series is evil ice zombies

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but they're *historic* zombies. Clearly.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, this is great.

[arcadiaego]

If anything it's fantasy pretending to be history, judging by the amount of 'but it would be inaccurate!' responses I've seen to people asking why women get raped every five minutes.

[likeadeuce]

I don't understand this comment.

[(Anonymous)]

ASOIAF is not a work in a genre that's compatible with serious analysis of social situations or with endings that are fundamentally driven by ethical-political concerns. Martin presents it that way especially in the earlier sections, but that's not fundamentally what it's about. An ending like the one OP wants is incompatible with the world of Westeros and with the narrative conventions that govern it.

[likeadeuce]

Thank you for explaining the comment. It doesn't match up with my understanding of how genre and narrative convention work, but I see what you meant by it.

[diet_poison]

Is fantasy automatically incompatible with ethical concerns...?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think fantasy's incompatible with ethical concerns but I don't think it's compatible with this sort of social realistic approach to ethical concerns and especially to the resolution of ethical concerns - especially the sort of big epic fantasy thing that ASOIAF appears to be located in. Rather ethical concerns are linked to the fantastic itself. Often they'll be made literal and manifest in the form of some big fantastic construct. Because that's what the central concern of epic fantasy is, and what the central conceit is.

So in this specific case, the kind of thing that OP is talking about, it doesn't make sense because the general ethical concerns of the work aren't displayed through the political conditions - they're depicted through the arcs of the characters and the broad strokes of the fantastic conflict. So Daenerys staying there wouldn't work - her most important role is the one that she plays in the magical fantastic element of the series. It's the most important to the plot as well as to the moral construction of the series. So the social realistic resolution of Daenerys fixing one specific city doesn't work because there are concerns that are more important to the work (eg, everyone getting fucking eaten by ice zombies).

[feotakahari]

So that interview where Martin talked about how Lord of the Rings made Aragorn a good king because he was a rightful king, without dealing with issues like tax policy, and how he wants to take a more realistic approach, all that was hot air?

[(Anonymous)]

It's pretty much impossible for me to see a way that's going to play out, yeah

I mean, those things clearly matter - that level of texture clearly exists in the world of ASOIAF, where it doesn't in Lord of the Rings. But it's difficult or impossible for me to see how it's not going to end up subsumed within the fantastic concerns of the novel.

[(Anonymous)]

Rape fic?