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Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault)

[nyxelestia]

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Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault)

[nyxelestia]

I have spent days arguing with asshats online and in real life about Elliot Rodgers and misogyny and sexism and the role of gun control and mental illness and, gagh! I will always fight this fight because I am too damn stubborn to give in and let sexism slide, but that doesn't mean I don't get sick of it now and then - and this week in particular, faster than normal.

I need a pick-me-up, and I'll be banned from any kinkmeme I try asking for this sort of thing, so I'll ask here:

Give me your fandom's #YesAllWomen (and related hashtag) tweets. What would various characters tweet in #YesAllWomen? (Or an the fandom's in-universe equivalent of Twitter/#YesAllWomen). How would characters in your fandom fight against sexism and misogyny? How would they react to Elliot Rodgers?

Cheer me up so I can dive back into the fray, fandom.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand #YesAllWomen. I know it's a reaction to #NotAllMen (are misogynist douchebags), but that's about it. Is it saying #YesAllWomen (experience misogyny)? Are victims of it? Because I have to be honest, I don't feel victimized in my life, and I resent the implication that I should.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

See, I think it's a good thing, but I see it in a different way. I'm so, so sick of guys acting and internalizing this skewed view of reality where women 'never experience rejection!!1 Women can get as much sex as they want, can get any guy they want, they don't know my painnnnnnnnnnn" bullshit. I honestly think some men really do not realize that they aren't on the bottom of the social ladder like they think they are. It's like a white person complaining about someone calling them a honkey or something. It's not the same fucking thing.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

+2

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

I believe it comes from the quote that went something like "Not all men harass women, but all women have been harassed at some point in their lives."

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

I believe the quote is: "Not all men harass women. But all women have, at some point, been harassed by men."

Which the reply, yes, ALL women, is where the hashtag came from I believe.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[diet_poison]

That isn't technically true, though, is it?

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

http://mashable.com/2014/05/26/yesallwomen-hashtag/

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

I think she meant that it's not technically true that all women have been harassed.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[diet_poison]

I did, yeah.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

YesAllWomen makes a bigger impact than YesTheMajorityOfWomenWithSomeExceptions

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

All women have the potential to be harassed.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe not every woman has been harassed, but I'd be willing to bet all women will be harassed in their lifetimes. I'm glad some people never have been, but I don't expect them to be that lucky in all social interactions in the future.

...not that I know how the hashtag was intended, or that I use it. I'm just saying that there will always be the occasional person who says they don't fit the "all" claim, and they're not statistically significant when talking about majority problems.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[diet_poison]

Yeah, but majority = all.

Sorry, I'm a science head and claims that are factually incorrect just diminish in legitimacy to me...

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

Do you know a woman who has never been harassed? I don't.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[diet_poison]

I guess it depends on how you define "harassed". But I concede the point; the issue is big enough that it's not worth arguing over when we need unity anyway. (and I'm not that invested in the semantics.)

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[nyxelestia]

It means all women experience sexism and are threatened by misogyny. Not everyone experiences sexism directly or ever suffers any kind of gendered abuse or assault, though, but we all live in a patriarchy (or at least, it's presumed that right now, anyone who lives in a culture that gives them access to Twitter is probably living in a patriarchy or a patriarchy-derived culture).

By virtue of living in a patriarchy, most have women have experienced some form of sexism - ranging from restrictive gender behavior as children to slutshaming/prudeshaming to being passed over for promotion at work to being told "you're just PMSing" when expressing very valid anger at something to being told to "not get raped", etc....to more serious things like sexual abuse, rape, domestic violence, murder, etc.

Maybe you're one of the very lucky ones who hasn't experienced this - but when more than 95% of women have, most people would say that's enough to start saying "all" with some exceptions rather than using "some" as a default. I so hope you are one of the outliers, though. :)

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't disagree about women having all once experienced racism, whether they realized it or not. What I mind though is the way it's done, I mean, it's just so preachy and passive agressive. Just like the feminists who insist you have to call yourself a feminist if you care about women's rights.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

There's not much passive about it, actually. And it seems like preachy might be dependent on the individual interpretation. I haven't found it preachy at all, but I know that people interpret these types of things very differently depending on personal experience.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

You'd be surprised at how many men actually believe women have it easier than they do because they can have sex whenever they want! And it gets infuriating after a while. These aren't the people that will listen to whispers, you need to shout it.

And then you have guys like spoiled little prick who think you, as a woman, solely exist to hand out pleasure prizes to men, and ohmygod, you have a vagina, you control the vagina currency, how dare you! Being silent really isn't an option here.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[nyxelestia]

It's not passive-aggressive. It's assertive. Yeah, sure, technically a correct application would be "YesMostWomen", but it doesn't have the same impact, and it has a very specific context and history, namely that it's a response to the "not all men" defense a lot of men use to derail discussions of misogyny. The idea is that everyone should be invested in eradicating misogyny, not just women - everyone is involved and everyone is affected, and that even by being silent and not saying anything, men passive condone misogyny.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a woman who tends to be contrary so I hate being generalized at all. But I get what you're saying. I don't want people to think of me as a victim, I don't want to think of myself as a victim, but it's very true that living in a patriarchal society, you experience infuriating misogyny in demeaning, degrading, objectifying media, at the very least, so yeah. I still hate being lumped in a category, but I'll agree that the problem is epidemic and needs to fucking change.

Re: Hypothetical #YesAllWomen Tweets from your fandom (TW: discussion of misogyny and sexual assault

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm that way too. I don't like tweets like the Margaret Atwood quote that "en are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them" because I've been laughed at by lots of men and never threatened with murder, so I'm going to have to say as a woman I'm more afraid of being laughed at than killed. But clearly lots of women are afraid of being killed, so I don't need to say, well "Not all women" at them.