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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-02 06:46 pm

[ SECRET POST #2708 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2708 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Degrassi Junior High/Degrassi High and Saved By The Bell]


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03.
[The Cinema Snob]

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[Phil Robertson from Duck Dynasty]


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[Silicon Valley]


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[Xavier Dolan]


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[Pacific Rim]


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[Sailor Moon]


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[Iwan Rheon]


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[Love Stage!!]


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11.
[The Losers (movie)]


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[K-pop]










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(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
and not to be mindlessly driven by blind instinct or "biological urges" that are supposedly uncontrollable/inevitable (I disagree with that, but the bulk of atheists think like this, because they do see humanity as little more than intelligent but still instinct-driven creatures, which is incorrect).

Have you ever met an atheist? Because I've met many atheists (in addition to myself), and have never encountered one who believed that humans were helpless slaves to their instincts or "biological urges." This sounds more like something that sprung from the imagination of a Christian who was trying to describe the "atheist worldview" without the benefit of consulting any real-life atheists. You've been lied to. Please do not spread this lie to others.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Have you ever met an atheist?

Yes, and they have espoused that view, that we are nothing but physical bodies, driven by the instincts of our biology. "Operant conditioning" one of them said, which sounded rather SF-ish to me, then I looked up the Skinner being referred to, and yeah. Suffice to say I was unimpressed.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
There are Christians who hold different views from you, and you would not agree that they were speaking for you. Why do you think the fact that you've met one atheist who espouses that view means that you can generalize to all atheists?

(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
...because this was a group of atheists, as I was also an atheist at the time. They were pretty staunch on the whole Skinner thing, which I found sketch even then, tbh.

(AYRT by the way)

(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
"A group of atheists" =/= "all or most atheists." Calvinists are Christians who don't believe in the concept of free will, and hold that God created some people with the intent that they would be condemned to hell for eternity, with no hope to change their fate. Given your earlier mention of free will, I assume you are not a Calvinist, and would not appreciate being lumped in with them simply because they are "a (very large) group of Christians." Please extend the same courtesy to atheists.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-04 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
So you were hanging out with a bunch of atheists who were as dumb as you are?

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2014-06-03 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
Hold on here, you're using B. F. Skinner, the leading behaviorist of the 20th as your name-drop for human "instinct," never mind that his theories are significantly out of date?

(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Not me, some other atheists I fell in with some years back. Didn't make much sense to me, tbh.

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2014-06-03 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
So you're second-hand namedropping a reference from a unknown and unnamed atheist for a psychological theory that largely was replaced in the 1970s on a philosophical issue that's been explored by dozens of atheist philosophers with no clear consensus in order to claim that we're all a hive mind.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
No.

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2014-06-03 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
Then you need to clarify exactly how B. F. Skinner is remotely relevant to the concept of "instinct," an idea that he considered theoretically problematic. Not to mention clarify exactly how he's authoritative and to whom, otherwise it looks like you're just pulling random names out of a hat to support a fairly ridiculous generalization.