[ SECRET POST #2708 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2708 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Degrassi Junior High/Degrassi High and Saved By The Bell]


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03.
[The Cinema Snob]

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04.
[Phil Robertson from Duck Dynasty]


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05.
[Silicon Valley]


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06.
[Xavier Dolan]


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07.
[Pacific Rim]


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08.
[Sailor Moon]


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09.
[Iwan Rheon]


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10.
[Love Stage!!]


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11.
[The Losers (movie)]


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12.
[K-pop]










Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 052 secrets from Secret Submission Post #387.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Thanks for not jumping me, first of all. Secondly, I believe, which is a vast departure from, like 99% of Christians you may encounter on the street, that all humans are given free will by God (I also believe in Intelligent Design, just as a heads-up) and that our consciousness/intellect that sets us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom also allows us to use reason to be able to understand ourselves and our actions, and not to be mindlessly driven by blind instinct or "biological urges" that are supposedly uncontrollable/inevitable (I disagree with that, but the bulk of atheists think like this, because they do see humanity as little more than intelligent but still instinct-driven creatures, which is incorrect).

As to your second question, I don't read slash or BDSM or even any fic, unless it's gen (and rarely then), and I'm not involved in any TV/movie fandoms for the same reasons. I read books. *shrug*

[(Anonymous)]

and not to be mindlessly driven by blind instinct or "biological urges" that are supposedly uncontrollable/inevitable (I disagree with that, but the bulk of atheists think like this, because they do see humanity as little more than intelligent but still instinct-driven creatures, which is incorrect).

Have you ever met an atheist? Because I've met many atheists (in addition to myself), and have never encountered one who believed that humans were helpless slaves to their instincts or "biological urges." This sounds more like something that sprung from the imagination of a Christian who was trying to describe the "atheist worldview" without the benefit of consulting any real-life atheists. You've been lied to. Please do not spread this lie to others.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you ever met an atheist?

Yes, and they have espoused that view, that we are nothing but physical bodies, driven by the instincts of our biology. "Operant conditioning" one of them said, which sounded rather SF-ish to me, then I looked up the Skinner being referred to, and yeah. Suffice to say I was unimpressed.

[(Anonymous)]

There are Christians who hold different views from you, and you would not agree that they were speaking for you. Why do you think the fact that you've met one atheist who espouses that view means that you can generalize to all atheists?

[(Anonymous)]

...because this was a group of atheists, as I was also an atheist at the time. They were pretty staunch on the whole Skinner thing, which I found sketch even then, tbh.

(AYRT by the way)

[(Anonymous)]

"A group of atheists" =/= "all or most atheists." Calvinists are Christians who don't believe in the concept of free will, and hold that God created some people with the intent that they would be condemned to hell for eternity, with no hope to change their fate. Given your earlier mention of free will, I assume you are not a Calvinist, and would not appreciate being lumped in with them simply because they are "a (very large) group of Christians." Please extend the same courtesy to atheists.

[(Anonymous)]

So you were hanging out with a bunch of atheists who were as dumb as you are?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Hold on here, you're using B. F. Skinner, the leading behaviorist of the 20th as your name-drop for human "instinct," never mind that his theories are significantly out of date?

[(Anonymous)]

Not me, some other atheists I fell in with some years back. Didn't make much sense to me, tbh.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

So you're second-hand namedropping a reference from a unknown and unnamed atheist for a psychological theory that largely was replaced in the 1970s on a philosophical issue that's been explored by dozens of atheist philosophers with no clear consensus in order to claim that we're all a hive mind.

[(Anonymous)]

No.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Then you need to clarify exactly how B. F. Skinner is remotely relevant to the concept of "instinct," an idea that he considered theoretically problematic. Not to mention clarify exactly how he's authoritative and to whom, otherwise it looks like you're just pulling random names out of a hat to support a fairly ridiculous generalization.

[(Anonymous)]

"...not to be mindlessly driven by blind instinct or 'biological urges' that are supposedly uncontrollable/inevitable (I disagree with that, but the bulk of atheists think like this, because they do see humanity as little more than intelligent but still instinct-driven creatures, which is incorrect)."

You are very much misrepresenting the atheist PoV, and I'm kind of afraid to know why.

It's not that "urges," as you say, are uncontrollable or inevitable. It's that they inform some of what they do; it's that they are part of our history. Our intelligence allows us to overcome those urges and to do things that are contrary to our instincts, and that's a beautiful and amazing thing.

But very few atheists would suggest that homosexuality is an urge that needs to be overcome, because there is no logical reason for someone to do so. Love is no less beautiful than intelligence.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not that "urges," as you say, are uncontrollable or inevitable.

*deep breath*

I am not saying that. I am saying that that seems to be generally accepted view of most, and if the responses in this thread are any indication, that is the accepted view of most here. I disagree with this. This is what I disagree with. Is that clear?

It's that they inform some of what they do; it's that they are part of our history. Our intelligence allows us to overcome those urges and to do things that are contrary to our instincts.

That's...not quite what I'm saying, but close. I wouldn't label such things as "urges" but stray/odd thoughts, as I replied to diet_poison. I do not believe, as I responded to d_p, that these thoughts/choices are rooted in biology or instinct. If that makes things clear as mud.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I guess the "as you say" made that a poorly worded sentence. I didn't think that you believed that; I was responding to the notion that atheists believe that.

"That's...not quite what I'm saying, but close."

No. It's what many atheists think.