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the glorification of trans women at the expense of trans men

Lol wat. Are these some kind of anti-TERFs? I've never seen this.

Personally, my biggest problem with the Third Wave is choice feminism. No, not all choices are feminist. Not all choices are equivalent. Not all choices are right. I realize that cultural relativism is essential to structuralism, but we're post-structuralism right now and feminism really needs to get with the fucking program.

The Fourth Wave (whatever that turns out to be) cannot come quickly enough.

I can't imagine it getting better. Since a significant portion will be people who learned the majority of their world/political knowledge from Tumblr and the like.

I think that the Fourth Wave will (by necessity) embrace more male participation. Third Wave has been all about inclusion of previously excluded parties, but so far all they've added are non-white and poor women, and (the right) LGBT parties. This does fuck all to help poor and non-white men, who (as we should realize given the Third Wave's emphasis on intersectionality) often end up at the bottom of the scrap heap. But so far the Third Wave has more or less told them to go fuck themselves.

And so you have tumblr: middle-class white women imagining themselves more victimized by a system that enacts just as much - or far more, in many cases - violence on poor and black men. Which is bad enough in and of itself, but these potential allies are being actively excluded, just like the Second Wave actively excluded non-white, poor, and transgendered women.

I hope you are right about Fourth Wave. That would be lovely.

Excuse me? Did you really just say you want feminism to be more about men?

You read "embrace more male participation" and got "be more about men", huh.

Are we about to get a practical example of everything wrong with the Third Wave, anon. That would just be delightful.

Sexism actually does affect men, too. And if men come to realize this, then perhaps we can work together in dismantling the sexist power structures that hurt so many people.

The focus of feminism is women's rights, absolutely, but we should also be aware of how it affects men and other groups. There are intersections with racism, classism and a whole bunch of other things. You can't just work on one little corner of the pyramid, you've gotta kick down all the cards.

Welcome to the wrong side of history, anon.

If you want to have the whole population on board, that would by necessity eventually include members from that 47% of the population that was born with xy chromozones.

having xy chromosomes doesn't make you a man hth

What tumblr have you been on? The tumblr I know hates middle-class white women more than everything except rich and middle-class white men.

Transmisandrists. What could be the biggest snowflakes of all.

Trans women are goddesses and should be worshiped as such. Trans men need to realize that maleness is harmful, and should instead go back to being women (because dysphoria is cissexist) or instead become nonbinary.

Because being trans is a choice.

If you're ever interested (don't be) google transmisandry/look at the transmisandry tags on tumble. It's an experience.

I can attest to this.

Lol, well if it's tumblr, maleness is harmful until you're looking for porn. Then it's all you want.

I know this is sarcasm but I'm having a hard time decoding what you mean. Could you explain it?

What do you not understand?

Well, I don't understand what you mean that dsyphoria is cissexist, or how transwoman could be glorified while transmen should go back to being women? Wait, as I type this I think I'm understanding it a bit more. You're upset with people who insist the only acceptable gender - either physically or in presentation - is female? (And thus using sarcasm to talk about that frustration?)

Subtext sometimes gets lost on me.

Oh, sorry, I forgot to add /sarcasm to my post. (<-Not sarcasm)

But yes, I was being sarcastic about the idea that the only acceptable genders are woman/nb, and thus any trans man should either go back to being a woman or should instead be nb, because I feel like that's a really problematic attitude to hold.

Yes, that was sarcasm, sorry for the confusion!

Oh, that's okay. Thank you for explaining to me! I appreciate that. And yeah, the idea that the only acceptable gender is female is deeply flawed and cruel!

I wanted to apologize, I've been dealing with some of this shit for a while, so when I saw your original comment I immediately thought the worst. This wasn't fair to you, especially since I had no reason to assume that. I'm sorry for making that assumption, it wasn't right.

If it helps, I don't think you needed to apologize. I've recently had some frustrations with some social issues (concerning the trans movement, even) and sometimes we just need to get out the frustration. But it was very clear you were being sarcastic, even if I couldn't understand the original point. You didn't offend me.

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