[ SECRET POST #2714 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2714 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not anti-feminist, but I am super critical of feminism, and I think the way that it's going right now is not a direction I'm comfortable with. In some ways, I'm starting to think that I'm not actually a feminist after all, seeings how I don't agree with some of their ideologies.

Yes, I know that "feminism has only one ideology, that women and men should be equal" but in reality, there are a bunch of ideologies that seem to be part and parcel with modern feminism, like the glorification of trans women at the expense of trans men, the hatred of men and glorification of "misandry" (which isn't real except when we want to sell t-shirts), the claims that you can be lgbt+ if you just ~want~ to be, no matter how much that circles around to conservative ways of thinking, the way that the victims of the recent UCSB shootings were being used to hold up their ideology before we even knew their fucking names.

I just don't agree with any of it, and I'm starting to think that maybe I should stop identifying as a feminist, because I feel like none of these things truly fit me, and they make me really uncomfortable.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

omg, I learned about political lesbianism the other day. Like, What. the. fuck.



And TERFs never forget the TERFs.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Terfs fucking suck.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[diet_poison]

ugh, political lesbianism. Undermines so many things.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[jaybie_jarrett]

I also hate the political lesbian comments I see on tumblr about a pol lesbian seeing a friend who's dating a guy and assuming/deciding he's being abusive just by being near her / being a guy and then trying to "convert her" to political lesbianism . It feels very creepy and messed up.

If you're (general you) trying to sabotage your friend's relationship just because she's with a guy, then you're being a shitty friend. If I were that girl's friend I'd tell them "I don't try to convert you so please don't do it to me" and if they can't respect them, I'd drop them.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

And I just realized that I misread "unpopular fandom opinions" as "unpopular opinions". Feel free to crucify me as necessary, but I really did have to get that off my chest.

I mean, most of my problems are from how I've seen things online, does that count?

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of this has been noticeable in fandom for years (although has really gotten bad in the last 2-3), so I think it counts.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think any of the things that you're talking about are ideologies. They're a bunch of dumb crappy things that people do. But I don't think they are in themselves intellectual positions, and I don't think any of them have any fundamental relation to feminism as an ideology.

That's not to diminish your position tho, it's just that your problem seems to be more with existing feminism as a practical position, not an ideological disagreement.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

That's a good point, and I agree with your second paragraph- I'm not comfortable with the direction that feminism is going in right now (at least, as I see it), though I technically agree with the "men and women should be equal" bits.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[ariakas]

the glorification of trans women at the expense of trans men

Lol wat. Are these some kind of anti-TERFs? I've never seen this.

Personally, my biggest problem with the Third Wave is choice feminism. No, not all choices are feminist. Not all choices are equivalent. Not all choices are right. I realize that cultural relativism is essential to structuralism, but we're post-structuralism right now and feminism really needs to get with the fucking program.

The Fourth Wave (whatever that turns out to be) cannot come quickly enough.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I can't imagine it getting better. Since a significant portion will be people who learned the majority of their world/political knowledge from Tumblr and the like.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[ariakas]

I think that the Fourth Wave will (by necessity) embrace more male participation. Third Wave has been all about inclusion of previously excluded parties, but so far all they've added are non-white and poor women, and (the right) LGBT parties. This does fuck all to help poor and non-white men, who (as we should realize given the Third Wave's emphasis on intersectionality) often end up at the bottom of the scrap heap. But so far the Third Wave has more or less told them to go fuck themselves.

And so you have tumblr: middle-class white women imagining themselves more victimized by a system that enacts just as much - or far more, in many cases - violence on poor and black men. Which is bad enough in and of itself, but these potential allies are being actively excluded, just like the Second Wave actively excluded non-white, poor, and transgendered women.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[comradesmiler]

Transmisandrists. What could be the biggest snowflakes of all.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Trans women are goddesses and should be worshiped as such. Trans men need to realize that maleness is harmful, and should instead go back to being women (because dysphoria is cissexist) or instead become nonbinary.

Because being trans is a choice.

If you're ever interested (don't be) google transmisandry/look at the transmisandry tags on tumble. It's an experience.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[comradesmiler]

I can attest to this.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I feel this way about the entire liberal movement.

Only I've already stopped indetifying as a liberal.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

That'd be tempting, if the alternative weren't worse by just about every measure.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I call myself liberal, but seriously, some of my liberal friends make me.. not want to.

However, I think that with feminists, liberals, conservatives, really anyone with a cause, there's people who are for it because they have beliefs, and people who just have agendas. Some of my friends have major chips on their shoulders, and that's their cause: the chip. People who know when to stay riled and when to calm the hell down and look at the other side of the story are the ones who simply believe in their cause.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[dreemyweird]

I'll never be a part of any movement, anyway, and I use the words "feminist", "egalitarian" etc. as ideological labels rather than as a sign of my sympathizing with anyone's cause. Which is why calling myself a "feminist" would be rather awkward; it does seem to imply that anywhere, in any context the root of the problem I am against is patriarchal culture, which isn't really the case. I'm "egalitarian" rather than "feminist", definition-wise.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[diet_poison]

Er, I know this is going to sound like the obvious question, but how much time have you been spending on tumblr? Most if not all of those things are not things I've ever heard outside of tumblr and I don't think they're part of mainstream feminist ideology.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[dreemyweird]

Tbh this. I see no reason to not call oneself a feminist if one actually sympathizes with feminism as an ideology. It's like not calling oneself a Christian because of Westboro Baptist Church. Or not calling oneself an atheist because of Stalin.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

They may not be mainstream BUT they are a part of the feminist movement. And it seems many feminists choose to just ignore that portion instead of telling them they are fucking scumbags and making them stop being scumbags.

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I used to consider myself a feminist, but now I'm not so sure anymore. Trouble is, I'm literally afraid to tell anyone this because some of the reactions I've seen are fucking frightening from people forcing you to identify ("Feminism is about equality so you're a feminist" "shouldn't I be allowed to pick what term I want to use, isn't the whole point of feminism about allowing women to make their own choices?") to making statements like "women who aren't feminist make me want to kill them and then myself" and telling women they "don't want rights and don't love themselves."

I don't want to get screamed at or cussed out so and say I'm a feminist and an egalitarian I don't want to be told I'm a bad person, or I'm betraying anyone. I don't have time for that.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

This is me. i post on here very often but go anon when i talk about this. because id on't want certain assholes to tell me that OH NOES YOU ARE TOTALLY A FEMINIST!

Re: Unpopular Fandom Opinions

[insanenoodlyguy]

I'm all for turning away from SJW ideology, but it seems some of this is tumblr feminism rather then the actual state of the actually-in-a-in-person-group state of feminism itself. Though I suppose that might be poisoning actual real life groups now? I really don't know. I've yet to encounter it except on the occasional youtube vid and I don't really count that as real life...

Well, there's always the egalitarian cop-out. :P