[ SECRET POST #2718 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2718 ⌋

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Comments

[seventh_seal]

An acquaintance of mine has a doctorate in psychology and she also didn't vaccinate her kids.

The following statement does not refer to either the acquaintance or the actress, but let's keep in mind that lots of "idiots" have PhD's because all it takes is hard work, following the bureaucratic guidelines, self-discipline and the sort of intelligence that makes it easy for you to understand abstract concepts, fill out forms, do math - you know what I'm talking about.

I also listened to Mayim Balik on Howard Stern and ... I just don't know about the attachment parenting thing.

[(Anonymous)]

A coworker of mine's granddaughter's mother is following her attachment parenting book and is not vaccinating. This is a huge point of contention between her and the child's father (my coworker's son). Of course, she's also in chiropractor school and thinks giving a tiny child adjustments is a good idea, so....there's that.

[seventh_seal]

Based on what she said in the interview it was also a bone of contention between Mayim and her husband - and that's why they divorced. I mean attachment parenting means kids sleep with you in bed until they're ... well, I don't, 10? That's a lot of dedication just there and that's just the beginning of it. On the one hand it's admirable that a mother would dedicate so much of her energy so her kids wouldn't suffer in their later lives for being "abandoned" ... on the other, is it necessary?

[(Anonymous)]

Tbh, as someone who's familt valiantly attempted Orthodox Judaism, I really strongly suspect it was the religion that ultimately ended that marriage, especially since her husband was a convert. It's just so hard to do. Maybe it was combined with the attachment parenting, but...yeah, I'm going with the being Orthodox.

[seventh_seal]

Sure, could be, I don't know that much about her besides that one interview I heard. Why didn't Orthodox Judaism work out for you?

[ketita]

I would hesitate to make that call without proof...

[diet_poison]

I just looked up "attachment parenting" and that doesn't seem to be a very big deal (and includes stuff that's common sense/common practice anyway). Is there something about this particular book that's weird or unsound?

[seventh_seal]

I haven't read Mayim's book, all I did was listen to an hour of her talking to Howard Stern, but in her description, attachment parenting sounded pretty extreme ... or maybe it did to me. Probably depends how far you take it, like everything.

eg. She talked about how they didn't use diapers and kids slept in bed with her and sometimes accidents happened ... or how she had to breastfeed her five-yeard-old on the underground to calm him down ... I dunno, maybe I'm exaggerating, this is what stuck in my mind.

[diet_poison]

yeahhh, that is pretty extreme.

Wikipedia basically said things like "it's breastfeeding, co-sleeping, and holding your kid a lot" and didn't age-specify but it seemed like they were talking about infants and maybe toddlers. Breastfeeding a 5-year-old definitely seems really weird and probably Not A Good Thing to me.

ETA: doesn't mean I'm 100% in favor of it, I would never co-sleep with a baby because I'd be terrified of rolling over and squishing them in the night. o__O but I definitely think breastfeeding (to a reasonable age) and having plenty of physical contact with an infant are good things.

[seventh_seal]

Yeah, I'm not sure how the co-sleeping works, but I know I'm a deep sleeper and (OK, this is getting ridiculous now) and it sometimes happens to me that I literally kick off my cat from the bed so ... yeah, poor baby.

[diet_poison]

at least cats can land on their feet most of the time! babies...not so much...

I'm a very deep sleeper as well. and while I usually fall asleep in a specific position, I often wake up to find I've moved around a lot in the night.

[(Anonymous)]

I was afraid of co-sleeping before I had a kid for the same reasons, but believe me when I say that you will not fall into a deep sleep while that baby is on the bed. And even when you do fall asleep you're still aware of where exactly the baby is at. Co-sleeping isn't always fun, but sometimes it's the only way to get a baby to sleep, and once you have a newborn you will do ANYTHING to get that child to sleep.

[ketita]

anecdote:
While I know there are perfectly reasonable kids who have been breasfed until older-ish, the worst kid I have ever known was like 7-8 years old and still breastfeeding. His mom put absolutely no boundaries on it, like we'd be in a meeting and he'd come over and ask for her tit. It was ridiculous. And he would just play around with it.

Then again, there was the time his mom was holding hands with him in the car 'cause he wouldn't stop screaming, while she was driving, while she was talking on the phone.... using her elbow on the steering wheel....

[diet_poison]

Ok, that's creepy.

...and that's dangerous.

The whole thing there is just "nope".

[(Anonymous)]

ugh she does attachment parenting too?

[(Anonymous)]

That's...a little less appalling, because psychology isn't a hard science. A degree in neuroscience would necessitate at least advanced biology, chemistry, and--here's the real kicker--biology of mental disorders classes. Since the primary argument of anti-vaxxers is "doesn't work, and causes autism," the process of getting a neuroscience degree should literally refute every part of that argument.

[seventh_seal]

Yeah, I know, I know, I just don't personally know any "hard scientist" who'd be stupid enough to reject vaccination. What I wanted to do was give a concrete example.

I suppose Mayim just believes the fake research of the anti-vaccination people. And at the anti-vacci debate I attended the anti-vacci person was a doctor of pharmacology.

(While we're at it I personally also don't understand how anyone with a scientific education can believe in the traditional idea of God, but some of them do)

[(Anonymous)]

But that's the thing: I would never claim only idiots believed the anti-vaxxer thing. I would assume most of them are just uninformed, alongside a handful of idiots.

It's slightly different to disbelieve something that is widely accepted and justified by the work in your own field. It would be like an engineer not believing in basic physics principles: all around ludicrous. It you are a scientist and believe in anti-science theories, you're an idiot, and I stand by that.

(And yes, I get that you were using an anecdote. I'm talking about Mayim in particular.)

[(Anonymous)]

Except for the fact that autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder. Even if no one knows the exact cause, a neuroscientist would damn well know what doesn't cause it, and that list includes vaccines.

[(Anonymous)]

There's an easily disprovable hypothesis here. IF vaccines cause autism THEN autism levels would rise and fall depending on levels of vaccination.

Levels of vaccination have been falling. Levels of autism haven't. The hypothesis that vaccines cause autism is disproved.