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⌈ Secret Post #2718 ⌋

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[crunchysunrises]

I would assume that (if she's anti-vaccine, which I've not heard before) it has nothing to do with a "lack of critical thinking skills" and ability "to evaluate studies" and everything to do with religion.

But I'm LMAO at the idea that everyone above a certain level of education has to have a certain set of beliefs. Because no. People believe - or don't believe - in a shocking variety of things, and it rarely seems to have anything to do with education level or SCIENCE.

[(Anonymous)]

I would assume that (if she's anti-vaccine, which I've not heard before) it has nothing to do with a "lack of critical thinking skills" and ability "to evaluate studies" and everything to do with religion./

Sorry to burst your bubble but no, absolutely not. The Orthodox Jewish community is like pretty much all Jewish communities: what the doctor says is gold (literally every commandment we have can be broken for medical reasons). My friends at school were all vaccinated, horrified that I wasn't, and I even knew a few kids who had parents that were doctors that would just bring the vaccine home and inoculate the kids there. So yeah, religious fundamentalists, yes, anti-vaxxers, not in the least.

[crunchysunrises]

Is she Orthodox Jewish?

And slightly randomly: Just because a commandment CAN be broken for medical reasons, does it mean that everyone would be reasonable enough to do it? Are there more/less strict "sects" (for lack of knowing the right term)?

[(Anonymous)]

She is Orthodox, yes. She's what we call a Baal Teshuvah, a Jewish person raised secular and choosing to become much more religious as an adult.

I can't answer your question about whether there are more strict sects because I'm honestly not familiar with all of them, but my community was super-strict (like, don't get seen wearing jeans strict, unless you want a shunning), and they unquestioningly followed the rule about breaking the commandments to save a life. You could be watching the most Orthodox congregation in the world holding a Sabbath service, and a little old lady faints or a kid has a fever or any number of conditions, and within ten seconds flat the ceremony will stop, somebody will grab a phone for 911, call an ambulance or get their keys and drive for the hospital like a bat out of hell, and the whole congregation will stand there worrying and offering assistance until the crisis has passed. And if they missed the rituals, so be it. Life if more important.

(I have had my share of problems with the Orthodox, but I've always admired that they are so sure of their beliefs that they can go against their beliefs with a perfectly clear conscience if necessary.)

[crunchysunrises]

Thanks for the bookmark! info!

[ketita]

Orthodox here, and nopity nope there is NO commandment against vaccinating. In fact, already thousands of years ago rabbis identified a passage in the Torah that basically "gives permission for a doctor to heal" (the idea being refuting the way of thinking that illnesses are from God and thus should be silently tolerated).

As anon said, preserving human life is one of the primary commands, and in most cases will trump everything else.
There are individuals who may choose not to seek medical attention if it goes against other religious laws, but these people are actually not following the laws properly because you're supposed to put life above all. So this is them personally messing up, and not a tenet of Judaism.

[crunchysunrises]

Gotcha! Thanks for the info!

("Religion" is the number one reason that people don't get their kids vaccinated in my state. It's always interesting to hear someone in the know's opinion on that.)

[ketita]

//nod
Just remember that Christianity and Judaism are massively, massively different on many fronts.
I mean tbh, I can't even fathom what kind of religious anti-vaccine argument there could possibly be. Why do they say that you're not allowed to vaccinate? Do they not go to doctors at all?

[crunchysunrises]

They don't actually have to say or detail their medical choices.

My state has mandatory vaccination laws for kids entering public school. There are about three recognized exceptions, religious being one of them. They just check a box, sign the form, and bam, they're done. (How many of them actually believe is probably a vastly different matter.)

[ketita]

wow, that's terrible D:
I mean it's actually making it EASIER for people to opt-out, as if it was legitimate...

[truxillogical]

As I understand it, the sects of Christianity (and semi-Christianity) that denounce vaccines, blood transfusions, and yeah, sometimes even medicine work under the concept that faith is all important, because Jesus said that with faith the size of a mustard seed, you could command a mountain to be moved into the sea. Which is a very powerful passage about the unfathomable might of the Lord, but some extreme groups interpret the concept of faith as being the end all, be all. Jesus healed through power and prayer and his disciples healed in His name, so... shoot, okay, I'm trying to figure out a way to explain the mindset that doesn't come off like I think they're in the right, but also doesn't come off as mocking people for their beliefs (although when those beliefs endanger or kill children...argggh). But basically, they believe prayers and faith should be enough to heal, and that reaching for mundane help is saying that you don't have faith in the Lord.

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To which I'm inclined to point out that He did give us healing herbs and doctors and minds capable of thought and the like...


The anti-vaccine thing is scary, because it's popular among liberal leftists who are all about bucking the system and their Indigo Children, and it's popular among extreme religious folks (usually of a Christian denomination), and because dangit this should not even be an issue anymore.

[ketita]

Okay, I get what you're saying. I mean, I personally disagree very strongly (like I said, according to Judaism we're supposed to use the tools we're given to live in this world. Technology is A+! Yay medicine!) but I can see how these ideas of faith can be twisted :X

That's terrible. I am also particularly bothered by it because my mom's a doctor, so I know first-hand how many horrible things modern medicine can save us from. It's true, it's crazy that this is still an issue.

Thanks for explaining!

[(Anonymous)]

Depends on the religion - but most aren't against vaccines.

But yeah, expecting everyone to share a set of beliefs - regardless of education, religion, or any other single factor - is a bit silly.

[crunchysunrises]

In my state, "religion" is the number one reason that people don't vaccinate their kids. How truthful that is, I don't know. But it's definitely conditioned me to say, "Right. Religion," and move on.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? I mean it sounds logical because so many religious nuts homeschool but from what I understand most of the anti-vaxxers are pretty liberal (I say this as an avowed liberal). Regardless they're all infuriatingly ignorant and smug.

[crunchysunrises]

Oh no, no, no. My state has mandatory vaccination laws for kids entering public school. There are about three recognized exceptions, religious being one of them. They're filling out those forms so that they can put their kids in public school without vaccinating them. (How many of them actually believe is probably a vastly different matter.)