[ SECRET POST #2721 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2721 ⌋

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Comments

[dreemyweird]

Np, do go on if you wish! I am a) a devoted Holmesian and b) a person who is known as "the one who constantly posts gigantic pieces of meta about obscure shit", so I have exactly zero problems with prattling.

And I agree with you, too - IMO the Roxburgh HOUN is basically what the Canon would have been like if Watson took Holmes' authority for granted less often and had more issues of his own.

[donutsweeper]

(Well, if you insist.... :D )

One thing I always considered about the ACD stories where that they were Watson's version of what happened. He was Holmes' boswell, not a storyteller. As a result he always most likely strove to paint Holmes in the best light and lessen his own actions and impact on the story. In this HOUN, by nature of it being a story we see play out instead of read his version after the fact, we see much more of Watson's interactions and how he relates to the narrative as a whole.

[dreemyweird]

This makes sense! I guess I've never given much thought to the aspects of the story that tend/need to change when it's being filmed, so I'm glad you said this. Otherwise I would probably fail to notice it for another bazillion years, seeing as I'm normally more of a literature specialist than anything else.

And I do believe that the Roxburgh version does this particular change well, something I cannot say about many other HOUN adaptations.

(Sorry, I just keep agreeing with you, but frankly you seem to know this Hound far better than I and I just find your talking about it fascinating.)

[donutsweeper]

The Granada version is very faithful to the story, as are most of the ones before Jeremy Brett became ill. Watching it play out, instead of reading it, works rather well, although, to be honest, I haven't rewatched it recently. However, as I am primarily a Watson fan, I do like the larger role he plays in the Roxburg/Hart version.

The 1970s Russian version has a very different interplay between Holmes and Watson than most other versions, it's interesting to watch as well. (You can see it subtitled here)

[dreemyweird]

I am normally a Granada fan, and I do love their version of this particular case, but I think they failed to make the change you have described and hence their adaptation fell a little flat. I like other Granada episodes much better than the Hound.

As for the Russian version, I have watched it in Russian (which I both understand and speak), and I've a lot of fondness for it. More than I have for the Granada one, too. In this particular regard (changing the narrative to adapt it to a different medium) they took a completely different route, but I think they were as successful in their endeavour as the Roxburgh version. I feel that to make Watson useful and meaningful, they turned him into a general "guardian figure" and someone who provides moral support and companionship to Sir Henry. (I love the Soviet!Sir Henry&Watson friendship. They are awesome <3)

[donutsweeper]

The Russian version definitely has a different dynamic, but there's a sweetness to that Watson that is rare to see anywhere else, especially as portrayed in the Sir Henry&Watson interactions, I just love them drinking and joking together.

I agree about Granada, some of the adaptations are amazing, but HOUN is not their best (although I do love the scene in the crofters hut where Watson tries the soup Holmes has been subsiding on and comments how awful it is, to which Holmes just grumbles how he knows that, he knows. :)

[(Anonymous)]

I love the Russian version too, both the latest and the older, classic one!

I can even take the unfortunately amateurish subtitles, though I can tell I must be missing some of the nuances of the dialog... Volunteer translators always get my thanks even if the result is not perfect. :D

[dreemyweird]

Coincidentally, I helped to translate the latest Russian SH (proofread an episode), so I'll take your thanks *bows*

Even though it's not like all my corrections made it into the final version of the subtitles >.> Otherwise there would have been fewer weird mistakes. IDK why the main team decided to accept some but to reject others.

IMO the older version is better, seeing as there is no strange Irene Adler romantic plot and no omnipotent Moriarty. Also, the only time W&H box is in the beginning and they do not beat the crap out of each other. But I like the newest Holmes a lot, too, especially the MUSG episode, because Reginald Musgrave is the best. The plots, I find, are unusually good, and so is the chemistry between the protagonists. And BAMF!Watson is the best Watson.

/ramble.

I do regret the quality of the subtitles a lot. They are not awful, but there are certainly things that are not translated well. Maybe one day I'll sit down and correct them, too.