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WORD. Miyavi is one of the best singers in Jrock today, one of the few people truly doing original stuff in visual kei, and he's being upstaged by someone who's not even vk anymore, much less good.
And I'm also a Yoshiki fan, and seeing people fucking blame Yo for Gackt's issues makes me headdesk myself senseless. NO, a drummer and pianist CANNOT make a vocalist sound worse or better. All Yoshiki could do was either up his volume (and risk ruining everything if Gackt continued to scream over him) or just keep playing and hope the sound guys correct it.
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Yeah. Um. The vocalist is usually the only one who can mess up the vocalist. There's only so much a drummer can do. Sorry, Gackt, this one's all on you. I don't know Yoshiki's music that well, but I agree with this 100%.
Excuse the shameless Yoshiki fanboying
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Gackt's ego is out of control. He gets a big name for himself as an insane vocalist, and suddenly he can do no wrong. Any time someone gets to a stage like that, it's just... not gonna be good. Mainly for them. So cut it out, Gackt. And stop being a loser. And blaming others for your own problems. Fool.
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And yeah. Gackt's ego IS his primary problem, his fans feed it and encourage it, and he's becoming a crappy prima donna singer. Breaking up Malice Mizer was one thing, he did pretty well on his own after that, but breaking up SKIN, where Yoshiki likely only brought him in out of wanting to save his career? BAD. "I hope you see pink spiders kicking your ass in your dreams" bad.
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Yeah. There is no excuse for Gackt. I mean, really. The band isn't that old. Why do you need to by so tyrannical about something that should be fun? I think it's just a Napoleon complex because he's so much shorter than everyone else in the band XDDDD I actually like some of his solo stuff. And it isn't so annoying when he's a diva, because at least he can't harm anybody else. But acting like that in band when you aren't as hot as you think you are just isn't right.
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He's a piano virtuoso. He's actually played classical and rock both for it, as well as being one of the greatest drummers of all time. I hope something notes him in musical history in general outside of Jrock, since he deserves recognition for his achievements. . . ^_^
Yeah. There is no excuse for Gackt. I mean, really. The band isn't that old. Why do you need to by so tyrannical about something that should be fun? I think it's just a Napoleon complex because he's so much shorter than everyone else in the band XDDDD I actually like some of his solo stuff. And it isn't so annoying when he's a diva, because at least he can't harm anybody else. But acting like that in band when you aren't as hot as you think you are just isn't right.
Yeah. I still have Mervilles by Malice Mizer as one of my favorite albums (it's how I got into Jrock, in fact, hearing a song from it), and a ton of Gackt's solo stuff on my playlist. It was all pretty good until the wheels totally came off late 05-early 06. And he hasn't seemed to even notice that Something Is Very Wrong, even when he's started lipsynching performances despite a vow never to do so.
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I did't really like Malice Mizer all that much. They're a little too intense for me XD But I do like Gackt's solo stuff, because it's not so... industrial, maybe? It's just more fun XD 'Redemption' and 'Vanilla' are two of my favorites.
He needs someone to point this out to him, and let him know that he's kinda going down a slippery slope here. Because it can only get worse if he keeps wrecking himself like this.
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Indeed. I mean, hide so needs to be recognized as one of the greatest guitarists ever. I mean, he's fucking better than Eric Clapton, I'd argue (though you may disagree) better than Slash (the guitarist, not the stories, yes please more slash stories forever ^_^), and the only people who really know about him are Jrock fans?
And seeing that Yoshiki will likely be the same thing (loved in Japan, barely on the radar anywhere else) makes me sad.
Intense is my thing. Though Melt Banana is a bit annoying to me. ~_^ So even I have my limits. Malice Mizer? Yes. Dir en grey? YES. X Japan? VERY YES. Melt Banana? MY EARS MELTED STFU PLZ MELT BANANA.
And who DOESN'T like Vanilla? Mmm, Gackt can has yaoi time now.
He needs someone to point this out to him, and let him know that he's kinda going down a slippery slope here. Because it can only get worse if he keeps wrecking himself like this.
The problem is there's no one who CAN point it out to him. The fans keep buying, keep loving, keep defending. Yoshiki probably tried to point it out to him, but probably got ignored, and yeah. Gackt's in a down spiral right now, and I'm mostly just still watching to see what kind of trainwreck he and his fandom become. Is he going to commit seppuku on the imperial palace steps? Is he going to run for office or start his own religion? Is he going to have a total breakdown on stage? What next from the king of crap?
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I want more Miyavi love. Boy plays the guitar like a fiend. And he's still mostly an unknown. AND THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM! So many amazing musicians! It's depressing, is what it is.
I like the lighter, more traditional rock stuff myself. Miyavi, L'Arc, Ore Ska Band, High and Mighty Color, Beat Crusaders- Sort of the border between vk and rock. But I also am just not as versed in so many of the awesome bands! No one buys vk CDs for me, because they see them on my Amazon list and think that they're scary! XD So now I just need to sample more awesome bands. Though now I know not to touch Melt Banana with a forty-foot pole. Yez indeed.
Ooooh yez. I had this song for AGES before I actually looked up the translation online. "lol lookit all this! I had no idea this perky song was so smutty! I guess I should stop singing it in public places where I could possibly scandalize some poor Japanese person."
It's true. He looks like he's seriously losing all sense of proportion. And it'll be interesting to see what happens. It's like a train wreck! Can't stand to watch, and CAN'T... LOOK... AWAY!
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WORD. Nevertheless, I keep at it and encourage anyone who likes music to give it a chance. I mean, yes, the language barrier, but there's SO much more to music than the "oldies, emo, rap, and country-western" that dominates American music anymore.
Seriously, I laughed myself senseless at the guy playing "Rock Band" on one of the TVs in the university center, who was on drums and grumbling that there wasn't anything more challenging in the expert selections since it's true. I mean, Metallica? Dude, "Kurenai" or "Silent Jealousy" by X Japan would be one of the ultimate challenges for drumming. Four modulations in the latter song, oh yeah.
Though including them might not be a good idea, since Harmonix could be sued if drum players trying to best each other at it all ended up with real-life wrist braces like Yoshiki's.^_^ Oh, I'd say you should try Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra, abingdon boys school, An Cafe, Maaya Sakamoto, Koda Kumi, and LM.C too. You'd likely love hide's solo stuff that he made before he died (with his bands Spread Beaver and Zilch), so check it out. Hyde (from L'Arc)'s solo stuff is also very good. I recommend Roentgen, 666, and the album version of Faith (Faith tour live had some issues with Hyde's vocals.) Also, Miho Hatori.
You probably wouldn't like Dir en grey past the Six Ugly era (once they left vk).
LOL!
Oh yeah. I just hope he DOESN'T go the suicide/seppuku route, since he's got such a "devoted" fan following, and in his case, there's no one who'd be able to do what Yoshiki did after hide died and tell people to stay calm and honor his memory in other ways than suicide.
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well then you're stronger than I am. After the first few weird looks and a few of the "Japanese music? you're into that kind of stuff?" comments, I've mostly given up, except among my friends.
there's SO much more to music than the "oldies, emo, rap, and country-western" that dominates American music anymore.
it's true! And the variety is AMAZING! you just have to look for it! Seriously, I didn't listen to much music that wasn't from the 80's or handed to me by my parents, because the majority of what's on the radio is so boring. But then I got into jrock, and that oddly enough led to me getting into different modern music. Go figure.
AHAHAHAAHAHA. Genius. And I love it. Poor drummers. It's no subtlety, just beating the shit out of the set. Poor, poor drummers. Must get old after a while.
ah awesome! Now I have all these bands to check out! I already love AnCafe and abingdon boys school! I need to check out all the other ones on the list too. Sleep? Psh. Sleep is for the weak. I have some music to immerse myself in.
It's so strange to think of people killing themselves because a musician they love did. I'd be sad if someone I idolized died, but I don't think it could drive me into that kind of despair. That's some intense feeling right there.
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It's not strength, it's not pushing my stuff on or toward others, but not pretending I don't care about it either.
(as an aside, I knew I'd never work as "normal," so I've decided to pick the option of "carve out my own place and tell the haters to fuck off" both online and offline.
would it be a fandom secret to say that by inspiring me to do that, hide has saved my life?Guess it's no secret now, but that's made me happier, that I can live as weirdly as I want and unless I'm endangering myself or breaking the law.)Indeed. I'd so love to see someone try "Kurenai" on expert mode, if it was an option in the game. Just to watch them flail and finally be beyond the three saves, or to see someone who could approach that level of awesome. ^_^
Hahahaha. ^_^
Agreed. I don't think I could see myself killing myself over a musician (though I can kind of sympathize with the hide fen who did, since hide was so much more than music at the time, he was the symbol of breaking conformity and being free in Japan, and losing that, OUCH. I mean, as someone who has a really deep affinity to him now. . . yeah, suicide is bad but I could see why someone already disturbed would go "wow, it really is hopeless to break out" and copycat thinking it was a suicide -which it wasn't, IMO-, and that IS why I love Yoshiki so much: he had the strength even in his grief to tell people that suicide isn't what hide would have wanted, to control themselves, and to push for the death to be re-labeled an accident.)
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Gackt is a loser, and he has no friends. The more I learn about him, the more I think this is true. And isn't he also a lot older than the other members? Not that he's ancient, but I feel like there's some sort of gap.
But seriously. I saw a video of all of them doing a photoshoot together, and no one was talking. They were pretty much just... putting up with each other. It was weird.
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Gackt's actually younger, but he ACTS like a washed-up bitter old man. Yoshiki's 42, Sugizo is in at least his 40s I think. Miyavi is the youngest at 26. The only gap is there because of Gackt's stupidity in treating three of the biggest stars of Jrock as his new backup band. I mean, seriously, there has to be some sort of instabadkarma for dissing Yoshiki like that.
And yeah, I think Gackt is a loser and is only really good at alienating people. Which isn't a very good talent to have, and an amazing one for a Jrock star to have: I mean, when people want to cuddle Kyo and people loved hide, making yourself unacceptable is pretty hard. . .
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I think it's hilarious that Miyavi's just like "throwing stuff? AWESOME!"
Really? WOW. i definitely thought Gackt was older. He does act a lot colder than the others, plus taking top billing and the center position in everything. Wow. That makes him even more of a pretentious jerk. Does he seriously think he's better than these guys who've been such a huge part of the business for such a long time?
XDDDDD seriously! This is vk! You do crazy stuff with your hair and have music videos that have hearts being pulled out of people's chests, and you'll still be adored! It just takes a lot of effort to push people away like that!
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*nods* And that IS how Yoshiki calms down (that's probably why his house has so few things in that tour of it that's on Youtube ~_^)
And I so think Yoshiki and Miyavi could easily have something going on. In fact, I hope they do: that would be, as I've said elsewhere, one GOOD thing to result from this clusterfuck.
YES. This is what's pissing me off aside from the racism, it's that Yoshiki is the fucking founder of visual kei and Sugizo is from one of the legendary bands (Luna Sea), and Gackt goes "fuck you guys, you're my support band." NO. Gackt, it does NOT work that way, and I'd feel totally OK with seeing Mana and Yoshiki unite to make sure you remain a soloist or have to form your own band. In fact, I'd yell "YAY! BITCHSLAPPED!"
XDDDDD seriously! This is vk! You do crazy stuff with your hair and have music videos that have hearts being pulled out of people's chests, and you'll still be adored! It just takes a lot of effort to push people away like that!
INDEED.
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ahaha! That's FANTASTIC! "Sorry it's so spartan... but... uh... you know, when I just get mad, I can't help myself...." I think it's a pretty awesome coping mechanism. The fans seemed to like it, too XD I'm actually listening to "I'm Not Mad" on his MySpace page right now. And it's just... him destroying his drums. And the fans freaking out. But he's NOT mad, apparently. Okay, Yoshiki. Okay. Whatever.
That would be AWESOME! I love Miyavi so much, and he deserves a good man ;D I don't see how something could not develop, what with Yoshiki wandering around shirtless and in pants that could've been painted on all the time. And with Miyavi just being so damn pretty all the time.
AHAHAHA that would be AMAZING! And fantastic and awesome and GACKT WOULD GET WHAT HE DESERVES. Be a jackass? Fine. We'll just freeze you out of the upper echelon of the vk heavy-hitters. hahahahaha.
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Hahahaaha. *laughs and laughs along with you*
They're quite the inspiration (especially with some of the stuff I've found out about them, including the end of that clip)
my first original fic I'm pushing for publication in this January's Shousetsu Bang*Bang is a thinly-disguised Yoshiki/Miyavi pieceand if you're interested, I've recently opened an LJ community for it called selfish_extasy.That would so be amazing. I don't even like Mana much, but if Mana did that, I just might buy a Moi Dix Mois CD or some EGA stuff out of pure, sheer LOVE.
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AAAH SO COOL! I need to check it out now, just so I can say "yup. This piece here? Totally about Miyavi and Yoshiki. I have it on the highest authority" XD I think my neighborhood is too square to have any place that sells it, though. I'll have to do some digging XD
No, I'm not a Mana fan either. But I would BECOME one if he did that. I'd even buy AND WEAR his clothes. Yup. Because it would just be so precious, I would have to thank him somehow.
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I also find it interesting he says he likes a "feminine personality." Not women, but a "feminine personality," which a man can have as well.
Online webzine, at bb_shousetsu. Though if it does get into bb_shousetsu as a success, my next move is submitting for the print YaoiCon Anthology.
Yes. That is probably the only thing that would wake Gackt up to how he's wrecking his own career along with everyone else's, so yeah, if Mana returned to join Yoshiki in a "GTFO Gackt" attempt, I'd so love him.
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awesome! I don't even need to search newstands! Just remember the little people when you're standing on the top of the Yaoi writers pile. Don't get a Gackt ego. (I am definitely going to use 'Gackt' as an adjective now. Because it's just funny.)
I could actually maybe see that happening. So I better start saving up for some of those frilly bloomers now.
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Indeed. Oh, did you notice that bit at the end of the SKIN live link? I definitely think Yoshiki and Miyavi know each other (and interestingly, as I noted over on someone else's LJ today, both are in each other's Myspace top 5, Miyavi's lived in Los Angeles and Japan dually for a bit now -and Yoshiki lives in LA, and they've mentioned going for drives in Yoshiki's Ferrari to talk about life. . .♥ )
Hahahaha. ~_^ It is funny.
As could I. In fact, if Yoshiki's indeed still on very good terms with Miyavi, I think Myv knows Mana. So Gackt may indeed find himself never in another band not of his own making again, if he officially gets kicked from SKIN.
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stupidpeople would hate on them that they didn't make themselves or that they did for a reason, and yet Gackt seems to have this insane ego and purposefully does things to piss people off at him for no apparent reason.