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[funyarinpainahat]

I never understood the concept of someone deciding that they were never going to eat meat ever again (religious reasons aside). I understand deciding that you don't really like meat and letting it naturally kind of phase out of your diet, but why do people make it into a big deal/major commitment?

(Maybe a vegetarian could answer?)

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I'm not a vegetarian currently, but I was for a while in middle and high school and I did make a big deal out of it because to my younger self, being a vegetarian was showing my commitment to helping animals and stopping animal cruelty. My vegetarian aunt encouraged me in this, because she was vegetarian for the same reasons. She would show me documentaries of ranch animals being abused and even tortured (though I would later find out that several of these were either outright fake or made up of heavily altered/taken out of context footage or outlier incidents), which would reinforce my dedication to being a vegetarian.

Then well, honestly I stopped because I was tired of being alone. I was the only 'hardcore' vegetarian in my group of friends and many of them admitted they didn't want to go out anywhere with me because I was becoming impossible to be around. So I toned it down, expanded my diet after finding out about ranches that treat their animals humanely and well, here I am.

[(Anonymous)]

Besides spiritual reasons:

-Health/diet, whether just trying to cut calories or making a lifestyle change that forces you to be more aware of what you eat
-Environmental reasons (reducing carbon footprint)
-Animal welfare reasons
-Economic reasons (meat is almost always more expensive than veggies)

I don't honestly see how this is hard to understand. I doubt most vegetarians are vegetarian simply because they don't care for the taste of meat...

[(Anonymous)]

Not vegetarian, but I did stop eating beef for environmental reasons and I have a friend who is vegan and a number of vegetarian friends.

Some people are simply uncomfortable with the idea of consuming another animal. That's what it generally seems to come down to, in my experience.

[ryttu3k]

Hey there! I've been vegan for coming up on two years - I was vegetarian for about a week as a transitional period.

I decided to stop eating meat (and animal products) partially due to a friend who is vegan as well - I like cooking, and would mention the stuff I made, and she asked me if I could just not tell her about meals involving meat. That's a perfectly reasonable request, so I did so. But, I still like sharing recipes and the stuff I made, so I found myself looking for more vegetarian and vegan recipes, felt good when I could tell her about a veg*n meal I made, and was actually starting to feel guilty when I was saying stuff like, "Well, I can't really tell you what I made for lunch..." because it had meat in it.

So I kind of... sat down, told myself, "Okay, if I'm feeling vaguely guilty, I should actually examine WHY", and started looking up reasons why people do go vegan. (For those interested, this page had a big hand in it.) I was absolutely horrified reading about the meat industry, examined how I was viewing animals (I was already interested in things like animal intelligence, so I was kind of already in that direction), and decided that afternoon that I would cut out meat (but not fish) and dairy.

Over the next few days, I did more research, decided that if I WAS going to do this for ethical reasons, I had to do it properly, and decided that I was going to go vegan, including ALL animal products (including honey), clothing/shoes/accessories (mostly leather I was getting rid of, I'm allergic to lanolin so I didn't have any wool to begin with), cosmetics and toiletries, household cleaning products (that one was actually pretty easy - the most available cruelty-free/vegan cleaning products in my country are also low-allergenic, and I have bad allergies to some chemical cleaners), entertainment (I wouldn't go to zoos, for instance, or other forms of entertainment involving animals), the whole thing. And I started reading about animal rights and the abolitionist approach, instead of just animal welfare.

So the short version is, I did research, I was horrified, I learned that I wanted to live in a way that caused as little harm to animals as possible, and now I cannot possibly imagine going back to the way I was living before. So it's primarily an animal rights thing for me (although climate change/the environment is also a pretty big factor, and that affects OTHER ways I look at food, like trying to reduce food miles by eating locally and seasonally whenever possible).

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know. Religious reasons seem like the silliest reasons for not eating meat. People think there's a deity out there who is going to punish them if they don't eat the right foods or avoid the wrong ones? Okaaaaay...

Not eating meat for moral or ethical reasons makes a little more sense, but it's still kind of confusing. If you want more humane treatment of animals who are raised for food, you're not going to accomplish anything with a boycott unless you get lots and lots of people to do the same... which is unlikely. On the other hand, if you wanted companies who raise meat to do so in a humane fashion (free range, no hormones, no cruelty) the smart thing to do is to support the companies who do this by buying their products. This is how capitalism and consumerism works. Japanese car companies didn't hit the American automakers by telling people not to buy big gas guzzling cars, they did it by making smaller, reliable, fuel efficient, inexpensive cars.

[ryttu3k]

Just wanted to chip in about the trying to get companies to change - I personally stopped consuming animal products because I didn't want to contribute to that industry myself, but I do agree that it doesn't work on a large scale unless others do it. That's partially why veg*ns can get a reputation for being pushy - I try to be an activist as much as I can, to let people know what alternatives are out there (and if they must continue to consume animal products, then to guide them towards slightly more ethical versions.

It's a very fine balance between informing people and bullying them, though, and a lot of veg*ns go overboard. It's coming from a good place - wanting to reduce animal cruelty and exploitation - it's just being handled poorly.

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you adding a * to vegan?

[(Anonymous)]

da

veg*n means vegetarian or vegan. The * can be an "a" or an "etaria", it's shorthand for signifying both.

[(Anonymous)]

I think your math is flawed. Whether or not consumers go to a competitor, if they boycott a particular company or product, there's still money loss in mind. Sure, that "won't do much" unless a lot of people do it. But with that mindset, no one would be an activist.

And not eating meat does actually significantly reduce your carbon footprint. So there's that.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I think you will find that a lot of religious reasons are the same as non-religious. It's simply a POV that, on top of being good ideas, doing things for health, kindness and environmental reasons have the bonus of having God's approval as well.

[(Anonymous)]

fyi, free range is bullshit. they're still close-packed and trample each other to death. It's not humane at all.

Low doses of growth hormones aren't necessarily bad. For chickens they're a problem because they will have problems walking with the added weight, but cows and pigs are sturdier. Anyway, you need to do the research on this stuff if you're going to make these statements.

Eating humane meat from small farmers is a nice idea, but in reality it's fucking expensive and always will be. Who the hell can afford a 30 dollar burger. The real cost of that stuff is stupidly high.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I will state that I grew up a vegetarian because of my religion. My church encouraged healthy living, and part of that was encouraging vegetarianism (as well as not drinking or smoking).

But I will say my church also does quite a bit of study into nutrition, especially the Australian division, since this division owns Australia's biggest healthfood company, and still maintains that over all, humans are a species designed to be mainly vegetarian.

Our digestive system resembles other mostly-herbivore animals in the length, processing, and even the shape of our teeth.

But then I'm a bit weird on this front, I grew up vegetarian, but I turned carnivore as I reached adulthood, simply because I like meat.

[(Anonymous)]

What herbivore has canine teeth?

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Canine teeth are pointy corner teeth. In species that are not mostly meat eaters, they're short little things.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say we'd be more accurately described as frugivorous omnivores than anything resembling a proper herbivore.

[(Anonymous)]

Seventh-Day Adventist?
Weetabix?

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Yes, though I will nitpick that the specific brand-name of Sanitarium's product is Weet-Bix - no A in the middle and a hyphen instead.

The whole point of the company is that it was started based on the SDA church's ideas on healthy living and diet.