[ SECRET POST #2736 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2736 ⌋

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Comments

Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe not the ship itself -- I can see the appeal in anything if I try hard enough -- but the sheer popularity.

Re: Loki/Tony

[nan]

Agreed.

Re: Loki/Tony

[peablossom]

I didn't get it at first, until one time I was re-watching the Avengers and caught that, when Thor shows up to snatch Loki and so on, Tony tells him "don't take/touch my stuff." And then I was like, oh, I guess it's a macho posturing/possessiveness thing. I still don't ship it, but that's my guess why it's so big.

Re: Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

But it doesn't seem like the Frostiron fics in fandom actually run on that aspect? Seems to me they run on a cocktail of snark and angst.

Re: Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

Well, there was the bar scene between them in the Avengers. Snarky + Snarky = Awesome

Re: Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, like I said, I get why it's a thing. I just don't know why it's such a BIG thing, when Tony has so many other good ships to work with.

Re: Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

Well, Steve/Tony is huge. Tony/Bruce as well. Hell, on AO3 Pepper/Tony outnumbers Loki/Tony. And you know how fandom feels about het ships.

Re: Loki/Tony

[peablossom]

Ah, then I don't know. They're not my thing. I think I read one to give it a try and it had Tony protecting poor abused Loki from a bunch of meanie Asgardians.

Re: Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

Same. I do not get this ship.

Re: Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

First off, I don't ship it.

But from what I've seen people say, I think people ship it because supposedly there are parallels. You know, lonely rich kids who live with neglectful fathers have no friends and feel the need to prove themselves.

You know, despite evidence to the contrary *coughRhodeycough* *coughTheWarriorsThreecough*

To be honest, though, I think it's because Tony was already a major fan favorite because of how "lonely" and "abused" the fans make him out to be, and then Loki came out, and he was also "lonely" and "abused", plus played by Tom Hiddleston so...

Re: Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

This may explain why they tend to be written as best friends (who fuck?) in AUs. Good god those AUs.

Re: Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

Before I ever watched any MCU films, I saw someone who'd bookmarked a Loki/Tony story, and only knowing the most basic aspects of their personalities, I was like "huh, I'd probably ship that".

So I read and totally enjoyed the story. Then I watched the Avengers and didn't get where it came from at all, but what the hell, I'll read more fic anyway.

Re: Loki/Tony

[intrigueing]

I get it, but I don't get the *way* it's shipped.

I totally get hateshipping/competitiveness/two-snarky-dudes-having-it-out/Tony pushing Loki's buttons/Loki being fascinated by the fact that he couldn't freeze Tony/Loki wanting to humiliate that smug human who asked him if he had 'performance issues.' I totally, TOTALLY get all that.

But what most of the fandom seems to say is "Tony's dad was mean to him too! Therefore he will sympathize the most with Loki wanting to commit genocide to prove how badass he is!!!!" And that, I don't get. Actually, I'd expect that none of the Avengers hates Loki more than Tony except Clint. Because Loki is everything Tony violently rejected in Afghanistan. Loki is basically a non-dweeby version of Justin Hammer.

Re: Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I also think that, in this particular case, all the parallels actually make it harder for sympathy to happen. If these characters could somehow see all the similarities between them, it wouldn't make them like or respect each other more -- those similarities are vehicles that feed their latent self-loathing, which will just intensify the antagonism.

Re: Loki/Tony

[intrigueing]

Yeah, exactly. Loki is everything Tony hates about himself and his past, and Tony is everything Loki epically failed to achieve because he didn't have the balls to try.

Re: Loki/Tony

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much this. Also, both characters deal with their latent self-loathing and issues in ways that I can't see the other respecting, which would fuel their mutual antagonism even more.